The Ancient Aliens: Alien Engineering hosted Giorgio Tsoukolos, David Childress, William Henry, and Travis Taylor on Sunday, November 11th, at AlienCon 2018 in Baltimore. Max Thompson moderated the panel.
Thompson noted that fans of the show love “physical evidence”, such as historic sites that can be investigated. A place featured in Season 3, which may be revisited, is Nan Madol.
Childress first read about the place in one of Erich von Daniken’s book, a location in Micronesia, south of Guam, a volcanic island. It’s not a tourist location, for the most part. It’s comprised of 100 artificial islands composed of basalt, Childress explained. It’s similar to the Giant’s Causeway in Ireland and consists of tunnels and canals. It’s a veritable “city” exposed in low tide. Local islanders believe staying there at night is dangerous, and report lights there. Local tradition states that the stone was transported from another part of the island in a miraculous way. Scientists consider whether the stone was moved with canoes, but Childress finds that explanation “insufficient”.
Thompson commented that scientists tried to test out the floating of the columns in canoes, and that the attempts resulted in sunken canoes, and Childress noted that erecting obelisks in Egypt faced similar challenges. Henry proposed that aspects of higher consciousness may have been involved, as a shaman friend of his suggested, and wondered if future experiments might lead to “greater insights” into these “feats of engineering”.
Tsoukolos added that stories of floating or levitating stones into place pop up in almost every culture, including Stonehenge, crossing vast areas of land and challenges of landscape. Somewhere in “those stories lies the truth”, he said.
Taylor told a story about his father’s work as a machinist on Saturn 5. He spoke about the “Jericho device” which would use air to vibrate rockets at certain frequencies to help stabilize them. He recalls that a particular frequency broke two inch thick bolts, lifted up a giant rocket, and moved it, using sound waves. If those kind of ideas could be applied to megaliths, it might produce similar results, Taylor commented.
Tsoukolos said that he finds it insulting that interpreters of ancient texts take the things that are described as happening on earth as possibly true, whereas things that are described as happening in the heavens or skies are discounted, keeping us from listening to the tales of ancestors more closely. Still speaking of stories that recount “levitation” of megaliths and the like, Taylor feels that undertaking experiments to create data that fully disprove some of the events recounted in stories is an important step, but scientists aren’t doing so.
This led to a discussion of the ways in which technology would seem like “magic” to less advanced cultures. Thompson spoke about researching sites for episodes of the show, when Tsoukolos rejects sites that don’t show signs of advanced technology, just hard work. Finding the specific sites for study takes closer investigation. Most of the panelists agreed that moving giant stones must have been “easy” for those who moved them, or it wouldn’t have been done.
Tsoukolos spoke of journeying in Greece as a young person, looking at “cyclopian walls” of megalithic interlocking blocks made without mortar. One wall he observed, which has been described as the descent to Hades, and the stones are deliberately placed in a “spiral”. When he was visiting, archaeologists were working on it, and he asked them about it, and they described the pattern as a “coincidence”. He felt that you “can’t argue with people who don’t see it”.
You often find different levels of construction styles at sites which have unusual stone building evidence, the later levels of which are “inferior” in style. Tsoukolos commented that the earlier technology was clearly more sophisticated, and the later elements are less so, evidence of lost technology. Tsoukolos addressed the idea that these “tools” may have been lost, saying that tools weren’t left behind at the sites where they were used, since they would be then taken to the next construction site.
Henry feels that these builders did make “mistakes” occasionally, though, like random cut marks that run across stones where they aren’t meant to be. It’s evidence for “work in progress”, Taylor commented, and an opportunity for “reverse engineering”. Tsoukolos agrees that there are “ancient signatures of machining” on the stones being used.
Childress related that, as in many places, in Ethiopia and India, stories say that “angels” created some locations overnight.
Thompson and others moved into a discussion of Nikolai Tesla’s ideas and the ways in which they resonate with Egyptian concepts, particularly the way in which Tesla coils look like inscriptions found at Abydos. This “Osiris device” found at Abydos, which represents hope in the afterlife, has a correspondence, in Henry’s mind.
Thompson spoke about similarities between structures in India and structures in Egypt, and the fact that temples in India have some “metal” places on top, and that the pyramid at Giza was thought to have metal on top also.
Asked if the show will be going back to Gobekli Tepe, Thompson said not this season, but one of the issues they have is that the site has been “covered” now to protect it from external threats, and it’s not exactly an easy location to visit right now.
Asked if there is plant life on ancient sites, Tsoukolos mentioned the slow growth rate of lichen, and suggests that their lifespan and growth rate should be studied to help date the construction of sites.
During the Q&A, there was quite an extensive conversation about the potential dangers of 5G technology, leading to increased linkage to our devices such as smartphones. Henry, particularly, felt that all lifeforms are at risk from 5G, and Tsoukolos agreed, citing the disappearance of bees during the rise of 4G and our limited knowledge of what these items are doing to our environment.
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