. THIS started the WCW Nitro downfall because many of those people continued to watch RAW.

Yea sure, Mick Foley winning the title began WCW`s downfall...BWHAHAHAHA!!! Do you realise that nWo just reformed the same night?

I'm not even going to start to make fun of you as you are clearly just a blind Mick Foley fan who doesn't no better. If you honestly believe he is part of the WCW downfall you are really sad. And I hate to burst your bubble, but anyone who was a WCW fan, had no CLUE that Mick was winning the belt or cared, & if you honestly think enough people tuned in to watch that & stayed on WWF, well then your just insane. Of coarse Mick may have said this in his book, but that's just b/c in his mind he wants to believe it. WCW fans at the time could care less what belt he had.


If anyone saw last nights Rumble then they would have seen yet ANOTHER F'n example of how Vince McMcmahon needs to be shot in the head. For 3 quaters of a Royal Rumble we probably got the best Rumble in years, hell maybe ever. Chris Nowinski who is just awesome doing some funny things, Jericho absolutely taking a massive beating, you could see that not in his head swell up, Mysterio w/ a great entrance, just a ton of good wrestling & humor working really well & then Vince fresh from a BJ by the Undertaker, rather then push new wrestlers like Batista, or finally do something w/ RVD, Vince has the let the fat out of shape Undertaker be the center of attention. What is wrong with me that I can't stop watching this crap.

- The Steiner/HHH was one of the most pathetic attempts at a match I have ever seen. They have to keep Steiner from wrestling & what the hell was wrong with HHH b/c Steiner was bad, but HHH was worste. I swear that the people that are creatively in charge of wrestling have no clue what they are doing, why on earth after a match like that, would you have the Angle match.

- And of coarse the Angle /Benoit match was beyond amazing but what else would you expect.

I've been waiting for the 'Bride of the Off-Topic Wrestling' to return. Thanks,Frank! This isn't about last night's Royal Rumble because I haven't had the time to listen to the scrambled tape yet. Yeah,it's pathetic,but I ain't spending whatever they're asking for the PPV. No,this is comics AND wrestling related. Did anyone else see the WWE Confidential two weeks back with a segment on Jerry 'The King' Lawler? The King was getting a little push for his newly released memoirs and they gave the usual 'tour of the WWE superstar's home' treatment for him. However,as long time fans know,Lawler fancies himself an artist and cartoonist,and to be honest,he's pretty good! But,when we were taken into Jerry's gallery room to see examples of his artwork,I recognized three as flat out-and-out Frazetta copies. Two were taken from early Creepy?Eerie Warren Pub. covers and one was from an Edgar Rice Burroughs paperback,Carson Of Venus,I think. Maybe 'The King' credited Frank Frazetta and it got edited out,or perhaps,Lawler didn't even know which pieces would be on camera and the cameraman picked those because they looked better than anything else! I have to admit though,they were damn good forgeries...

Mick Foley - The WCW fans did have a CLUE because Tony Schoivanie announced it. Back then Raw was live every other week (Foley's win was on a taped show) so WCW knew the results beforehand. They hoped it would ruin the suprise and keep people on Nitro but it backfired. Do I think this was the reason WWE destroyed WCW? Of course NOT but it was yet another stop where WWE came out on top. With the popularity of Mick and his book, to say he wasn't PART of the reason why WCW fell is stupid, though. "Rock: This Is Your Life" is the highest rated wrestling segment ever.

Royal Rumble - Only you would say that HHH was worse than Steiner. Talk about a credibility killer. That said, at the rate he's going HHH could be Steiner in another couple years but Steiner is downright embarrassing right now. For a babyface to get booed based on his ring work is the ultimate slap in the face. Steiner just dropping HHH on his attempt at a Tiger Driver was one of the worst things I've ever seen. I only hope this smartens Hunter up and he realizes having this fascination with big arms will ruin his career as it has Steiner. HHH made the match somewhat watchable at times but back in the day he could have carried even a stiff like Steiner to a respectable match. This was awful.

Benoit/Angle was amazing. Great finish. First it was clean and second it was nice to see a wrestler tap to a submission hold. Because of ego that doesn't happen often enough. Great crowd all night in booing Steiner, booing Booker T's early exit (WTF?!!!) and most importantly in applauding Benoit after the match. Great effort and he deserved the cheers. Nice geneuine reaction by Benoit, too along with continuing to sell the pain from Angle's finisher.

IF Vince was smart (which is very debatable at this point) he'd trade Benoit to Raw for RVD. Raw needs more quality wrestling and a Benoit/HHH program would give the World Title the credibility it sorely lacks right now. Plus Benoit has history with that belt. RVD would also benefit from Heyman's booking along with the work style of the talent on Smackdown. He's going nowhere on Raw. Also while RVD can be spectacular, it's stuff that gets just himself over while Benoit is the type of worker who makes his opponents look better and helps them to improve. Kurt Angle was good from the beginning but I really think he turned the corner to greatness during his first program with Benoit.

Back to the PPV...

The Rumble itself was good until the big guys took over. Matt Hardy and Shannon Moore were terrific and a lot of fun. Jericho was excellant and how can Rey Mysterio not be exciting? John Cena is going to be a star but not with the Eminem gimmick. I hated Vince's final four, though. Of course Brock had to be there and Undertaker was fine in his first night back but Kane is damaged goods and I have no idea what they see in Batista. His offense sucks and he has no charisma whatsoever. The final 2 Raw wrestlers should have been any combination of Booker T, Chris Jericho or RVD. What they have against Booker I'll never know but I've about given up on him getting a main event push. It's a shame because he has more charisma than 90% of the roster and he's a good worker. At least I'm hoping they turn the Dudleys heel (they did KILLER heel promos in ECW) and start a tag title program with them and Bookdust that we can actually care about. Regal sucks and Storm has been ruined. The finish to the Rumble was pretty lame, too. Everyone knew Brock would win but they could have booked a more exciting finish. Undertaker returning as the "Badass" was a letdown, too. The character is boring and why resist the greatest gimmick ever? I marked out for those "Phenom" promos but I guess it was not to be

Overall a decent PPV but they should be able to do much better.

Man, did you watch the same match? What do you mean "credibility killer"? If you mean the credibility of Vince's intelligence or the crediblity of blind WWF fans devotion, then yes it was a crediblity killer. Steiner looked like exactly what he is & what I expected him to be. An over the hill wrestler with too much muscle & no stamina. Before WWF signed him I knew that, & I have nothing to do w/ wrestling, so why can't these payed professionals understand that & do what I wanted them to do w/ Steiner which I posted herer before he made his debut. HAve him as a strong heel personality only, & not have him wrestle, only come out & destroy people briefly which he is still very capable of. HHH however is VERY capable of putting on an phenomenal match. If he was that injured that he could not wrestler, WWF writers can could have easily scrapped the match, they did it for the Undertaker a few months back. Steiner has no stamina, it showed & the WWE never should have had him doing a match. But HHH half-assed that entire match, I wathed it twice, he was not selling anything Steiner did. Yeah, Steiner wasn't selling either, but he never did. HHH looked like he didn't want to be there, I've seen him put over Hogan, Mankind for all his amazing stunts can't wrestle for jack shit but HHH sold every damn thing he put out & countless other's that weren't up to par in the ring. Yeah, it's my opinion, but I believe HHH stunk up that match more than Steiner, he doesn't nor has he ever wanted to put Steiner over, & I would not be shocked if you see Steiner gone by wresltemania. Which is fine b/c he will go to Wed. nights which put on a far better show than the WWF lately.


Yeah, Steiner got booed, but that's not his fault. It's the idiot WWF fans that are at these shows & the biggest idiot Vince for trying to make Steiner a face, He is THE best heel in wrestling, but b/c Vince get's blown by HHH, HHH wants to be the Heel so Vince has Steiner as the good guy.

"Credibility killer" means a ridiculous statement like that kills YOUR opinions. What's scary is you said you watched that match twice. I did say the same thing about Steiner, too. Your idea for Steiner makes absolutly NO sense. Have Steiner come out and destroy talent that won't be able to get revenge in a match? Yeah there's a lot of money in that :rolleyes: Kill the credibility of your roster to get a guy over who then can't wrestle on PPV where you make your money? You can't be serious. You didn't have to tell me you're NOT in the business.

Triple H sold plenty for Steiner along with doing the "chicken shit" routine. You asked me what I was watching? Man your desperate to protect your Big Bad Rooty Poo. Apparently you haven't been watching HHH lately because he hasn't had a phenomanal match in a LONG time and when he's been good it's because the other person has been able to carry their end (HBK). Something Steiner can't come close to at this point. With all Steiner's "power" he looked like such a bitch throwing those chops. Ric Flair must have been mortified hearing fans "Woo" those.

I agree Steiner should be a heel but that had nothing to do with why the fans booed him. They booed because they saw what a fraud he is as a wrestler. They didn't START booing until they saw how bad Steiner was. His face character had nothing to do with it. You're just making excuses for him.

It's a matter of taste, b/c that is exactly what WCW was doing w/ Steiner when he was over more than any heel WWE currently has(except Angle). Steiner would just come out, & beat the crap out of people, if he had a match it was very fast & then he was mostly on the mic or doing a bit. And I loved it.




Completely, you can't be serious. Are you that brainwashed by WWF. What credibility is there on the Raw roster? That your big guy is Kane who moves in slo-motion & could barely hold a guy for a choke slam. That your main wrestling talent in RVD has to get gayed out every Monday & isn't aloud to do half the moves he is capable of yet he is the ONLY guy that still get's huge pops every time he comes out dispite Vinces efforts to ruin him. Or are you referring to 3 minute warning who F up every time they are in the ring & have the 78 year old Rico(who is sooo popular:rolleyes) to pick up their slack. OR is it HHH that you yourself said hasn't had a good match in ages. Oh, it must be Batista your talking about with his 3 moves. OR is it Booker T, the guy who can be as credible as anyone, but Vince has killed like everything else, putting Goldust up his but. So give me a break with Steiner ruining the credibility of your roster. The creative team could care less about their credibility or they would not constantly try to get over people like Kane & HHH. And if your precious credibility means that much to you, then don't involve Steiner with Jericho, do my angle with the 98% of Raw that is as credible as Stephanie's boobs are real.




They booed b/c of what a terrible match it was. There were 2 men in the ring. Hogan himself has admitted he is a fraud as a wrestler, he is not much older than Steiner & almost as big, if not bigger, & the Rock sold the shit out of everything Hogan did, hogan reacted & the crowd went as nuts as anything I've seen in over a decade at a wrestling event. Steiner had nothing to work with last night. And how have I once made excused for him. I said he is over the hill, I said he has no stamina, I said he cannot wrestle anymore. I make no excuses for him & I am always as fair as I can be. Your saying the entire crowd booed b/c of Steiner & your placing the blame on him. I'm saying yeah, Steiner stunk, but the fault lies with Vince not putting him in the right angle & the bookers for knowing that was going to be a pathetic match & letting it take place.

I'm not going to argue this anymore. Your a true wrestling fan & I respect that, but as I'm anti-WWF your are clearly brainwashed WWF. I'll agree to disagree, if you want to argue some more, have at it.

"It's a matter of taste, b/c that is exactly what WCW was doing w/ Steiner when he was over more than any heel WWE currently has(except Angle). Steiner would just come out, & beat the crap out of people, if he had a match it was very fast & then he was mostly on the mic or doing a bit. And I loved it."

I forgot. WCW had such a great run with Steiner as the top heel. How much longer were they in business? Besides Steiner was still wrestling 10 to 15 min matches on PPV. They were acceptable because WCW fans were conditioned to watching horrible main events. Bright fanbase.

"Completely, you can't be serious. Are you that brainwashed by WWF. What credibility is there on the Raw roster? That your big guy is Kane who moves in slo-motion & could barely hold a guy for a choke slam. That your main wrestling talent in RVD has to get gayed out every Monday & isn't aloud to do half the moves he is capable of yet he is the ONLY guy that still get's huge pops every time he comes out dispite Vinces efforts to ruin him. Or are you referring to 3 minute warning who F up every time they are in the ring & have the 78 year old Rico(who is sooo popular:rolleyes) to pick up their slack. OR is it HHH that you yourself said hasn't had a good match in ages. Oh, it must be Batista your talking about with his 3 moves. OR is it Booker T, the guy who can be as credible as anyone, but Vince has killed like everything else, putting Goldust up his but. So give me a break with Steiner ruining the credibility of your roster. The creative team could care less about their credibility or they would not constantly try to get over people like Kane & HHH. And if your precious credibility means that much to you, then don't involve Steiner with Jericho, do my angle with the 98% of Raw that is as credible as Stephanie's boobs are real."

You missed the point totally. I'm talking about in the bigger business sense and not about the Raw roster specifically. You CANNOT build a successful wrestling company with stupid booking like you suggest. Just because Vince has done a horrible job with the Raw roster (which I do agree with you on. Boy I'm really brainwashed) doesn't mean having Steiner come in and destroy everyone will make things better. You make no sense because you're essentially saying follow one mistake with another one. Plus you have no explanation as to how this would play out on PPV.

"They booed b/c of what a terrible match it was. There were 2 men in the ring. Hogan himself has admitted he is a fraud as a wrestler, he is not much older than Steiner & almost as big, if not bigger, & the Rock sold the shit out of everything Hogan did, hogan reacted & the crowd went as nuts as anything I've seen in over a decade at a wrestling event. Steiner had nothing to work with last night. And how have I once made excused for him. I said he is over the hill, I said he has no stamina, I said he cannot wrestle anymore. I make no excuses for him & I am always as fair as I can be. Your saying the entire crowd booed b/c of Steiner & your placing the blame on him. I'm saying yeah, Steiner stunk, but the fault lies with Vince not putting him in the right angle & the bookers for knowing that was going to be a pathetic match & letting it take place.

I'm not going to argue this anymore. Your a true wrestling fan & I respect that, but as I'm anti-WWF your are clearly brainwashed WWF. I'll agree to disagree, if you want to argue some more, have at it."

First comparing Scott Steiner and Hulk Hogan is ridiculous. I would think you'd know that. Hogan is an Icon in the business while Steiner had a 2 year main event run in a dying company. Plus the buyrates and ratings for Hogan matches weren't good so people weren't buying Hogan as a champ. Why? He was getting huge pops but the fans want good wrestling and Hogan couldn't deliver. He was not as bad as Steiner and they showed him more respect (as would be expected)but in the end they spoke through ratings and buyrates.

As for booing "2 men" where was the booing during HHH's matches with HBK or the Elimination Chamber or even the Kane match which was mediocre at best? What changed? What changed was Scott Steiner and his blown spots, pathetic offense and lack of stamina were present in this particular match. If you're right about his character, wouldn't they have booed him from the start? You still fail to answer this. In fact the booing really got bad on the blown Tiger Driver. Blaming his booking is an EXCUSE. Chris Benoit is far from the strongest babyface. In fact he still needs a long run as a heel main eventer before being turned in a really successful manner, IMO. (Boy I'm really brainwashed). Still the fans cheer him because he's a great wrestler. He delivers entertainment in the ring. Steiner delivers NOTHING and that's where the backlash comes from. Being cast in the wrong role was the least of Steiner's problems last night. I mean jeez, he got screwed and left HHH lying in a bloody mess and they still continued booing the hell out of him.

With all the ridiculous things you've written (I've lost count) how can you possibly read all my comments on WWE (go back and read 'em) and say that I'm "brainwashed"? Were they better than WCW? Yes and the fact that they're still in business says it all. Still, my favorite wrestler of all-time is Ric Flair (I still think he's the best EVER) and I'm totally pissed of at how they've screwed Booker T, RVD, Raven and Tazz (who should have had a long run as a wrestler instead of this announcing shit). The way they're using Flair today is a DISGRACE and they've screwed up with Bischoff, too. I'm sure Vince would love to hear what I have to say. Yep, I'm "WWE brainwashed"

Heh. Heh.

By the way guys, RAVEN RULES!!!