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#23136 - 12/23/06 06:26 PM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally posted by Alex A Buchet:
Hmm. Why do I need to shower every time I read this thread?
Ooh! Ooh! I can answer that very obviously rhetorical question. I can even do it honestly, much to the chagrin of the (delusional) self-righteous detrators hereabouts.
The answer is: The detractors spew forth so much hate-filled bile, that it metaphorically coats the "walls" of this forum (not just this thread).
The detractors, of course, will be unable to stomache this FACT, so you will more than likely "hear" a few buzzing sounds of protest & analytical B.S. from them.
Don't worry, though (more rhetoric, by the way). Like all gnats, they go away soon enough (even though they'll find more crap to hover over).
Let the hate continue! eek

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#23137 - 12/23/06 06:41 PM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
IvanJim Offline
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Originally posted by Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.:
... the (delusional) self-righteous detrators hereabouts.... hate-filled bile... unable to stomache this FACT... Like all gnats
So we get all his usual buzz words, the weird negativity, the claiming of unsubstantiated opinion as fact. We all know the standard Pally reply.


But then he boldly states his wish for the new year and his modus operandi in terms he's rarely so bold with...

Quote:

Let the hate continue!
It's a pleasant surprise when someone opens up their heart and shows a rare touch of truth and honesty.

Thank you Pally!

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#23138 - 12/23/06 07:19 PM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Where's a fly-swatter when you need one!

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#23139 - 12/23/06 07:42 PM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
IvanJim Offline
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Please don't disturb yourself on my account, Pally.


I'd hate to think of you as disturbed.

(but then again I did praise the virtues of squarely dealing with reality!)

cool

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#23140 - 12/24/06 02:48 AM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
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Originally posted by jwyatt:
JB banned Rodrigo Baeza for proving the Chief wrong about Kirby selling 17,000 copies/month of Captain America.
I forgot that one when talking about all the wonderful ways JB express his undying love and respect for Jack. That was one of the most ignorant and stupid things I've read a fanboy say. And just another proof of how Byrne desperately wants to believe he will be better regarded in the future.

And if Byrne really believed that Kirby's Cap sold 17K in the 70's that just shows just of incredibly ignorant of comic book history he is for someone who has worked 3 decades in the field.

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#23141 - 12/24/06 07:47 AM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
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Originally posted by James Van Hise:
Actually a couple years ago Joe Quesada joked about the very thought of hiring old guys to work at Marvel when there was so much young talent he could use instead. But this is common in many industries. I know a screenwriter who got lots of work in Hollywood 20 years ago, but today is lucky if he can sell something once every 2 years (he's 57 now). In 1987 I attended a talk by Gene Roddenberry who explained that they needed new young directors on Star Trek The Next Generation because the directors from the 1960s show were too old, even though he was talking about directors who were then the same age he was (in their 60s). My biggest complaint about Wizard is that it rarely acknowledges comics past. A few years ago they published a feature on the "Ten Best Comics of All Time" and all of them had been published in the previous 10 years.
All excellent points. And discouraging -- not just to people who work in comics (what do the Young Turks have planned once they hit their 40th birthday?), but for people who love good comics.

Some of my favorite writers and artists from years ago simply fell out of the industry when they became older than their editors (the Joe Quesada gap) and the fanboys who produce WIZARD. You read their laments again and again. One day they sold tons; the next day, the offers dried up.

Not only do some younger editors sneer at gray hair as a matter of principle, but they realize that the next young and hungry creator will work cheaper than the Old Pro who has established a career and has retirement plans.

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#23142 - 12/24/06 10:36 AM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
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Originally posted by Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.:
Paul, why was Rogrigo Baeza banned?

Paul, please give three examples of Byrne being misquoted and/or taken out of context.

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#23143 - 12/24/06 12:06 PM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
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The point (first made by Alex A B??) about creators over a certain age struggling for comics work is a really telling one in relation to this thread. Of his generation how many creators are still being given a lot of work??

Yes we're all aware of exceptions such as George Perez.... but actually isn't John Byrne actually doing pretty well compared to most of his contemparies?? (Especially for some one of forth-right opinions who may have upset a person or two.) And doesn't he deserve success because of the quality of his artwork? And maybe--if he hangs tough-- the wheel may turn and his writing may come back into fashion?

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#23144 - 12/24/06 12:18 PM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
IvanJim Offline
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Bad writing may indeed come back into fashion, but despite how it may help certain bad writers I still hope that it doesn't.

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#23145 - 12/25/06 12:25 AM Re: Does John Byrne have any more comics work?
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally posted by jackdaw:
The point (first made by Alex A B??) about creators over a certain age struggling for comics work is a really telling one in relation to this thread. Of his generation how many creators are still being given a lot of work??

Yes we're all aware of exceptions such as George Perez.... but actually isn't John Byrne actually doing pretty well compared to most of his contemparies?? (Especially for some one of forth-right opinions who may have upset a person or two.) And doesn't he deserve success because of the quality of his artwork? And maybe--if he hangs tough-- the wheel may turn and his writing may come back into fashion?
Indeed. Too many (detractors) try to paint a bad picture, when it is nothing of the sort. JB may have no regular comic book work, but he's certainly better off (and I'm not just talking financially) than most others from his generation (of comic book talents).
Too much wishful "thinking" coming from the group-mind (-less) of haters.

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