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#233901 - 11/10/07 12:43 PM Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
Alex A Buchet Offline
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'Borgenson' writes in TCJ:

"Ian’s comics, to me, are earnest, if unrefined, extensions of the P.Bagge school of cartooning, which is to say, cartooning based on pure exaggeration. His drawing style is fluid and mercurial, often bordering on inconsistent.

If there’s one major fault in Ian’s work, it is that he seems to overcompensate for his lack of technical chops with an overabundance of the grotesque. I find nothing wrong in this direction, but Ian tends to meander in his own irony, which makes for pretty uninteresting work.

There are, in my mind, two stables for successful ‘grotesque’ cartooning. One is satirical, based on careful observation, and the other is purely celebratory. Drew Friedman’s work fits into the former category, and Johnny Ryan’s fart-for-fart’s sake approach is as celebratory as celebratory comes. In my mind, one of Bagge’s strengths as a cartoonist is his ability to balance these two disciplines (or lack thereof), successfully gravitating towards one or the other for specific narrative purposes. Harker is a fairly smart fellow and a competent storyteller who seems to ‘get’ this, but lazily resorts to stoner nonsense ever too often.

His Ultimate Peanuts parody, though shamelessly cliché (customary lesbian references to Patty and Marcy included), is one of his better works. Pathos and parody do not usually coexist on the same page, but the ending, in which a Lucy comes on to Charlie Brown after being spurned by Schroder, wallows in the kind of sickly schadenfreude one gets from seeing characters at their most debased and desperate, and this combined with a right amount of grotesqueness is what makes the strip funny.

All in all, I disagree with Ace’s assessment that Harker's primary appeal is a love for cartooning that “shines through his work”. If I wanted that I’d read B.J and the Dogs. Harker is ultimately too cynical and self-aware an artist to take himself seriously, in fact a lot of the conceptual energy in his work seems to be channeled into challenging his readers whether they should take him seriously. Ultimately this is a dynamic that could translate into a recipe for originality and success, or an oeuvre of irritating cartooning, only time can tell."

Last edited by Eui-Chien Borgensen on Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:52 am; edited 1 time in total

Little boy, you've got a lo-o-o-ong road to walk before you can even think of writing serious critical prose. Pathetic.

As pathetic as the other harrumphing idiots on this thread, including the normally sane and subtle Kristy Valenti--who seems overwhelmed by the sheer 'tardedness of the Gutter jerks spewing their crap on www.tcj.com, , and has apparently decided to lock down this perfectly normal thread (started by Hunter*-- what a coincidence, eh, Kristy?):

http://www.tcj.com/messboard/viewtopic.php?t=3200

My view? Let the crappy little trolls march on over any reasonable poster on the TCJ board. Bravo Borgenson, Steinke, Hellman, acebackwords, Kletz and "Geedis" Bogner. Heil Hellman is your cry, and Deppey seems to love it.

I made my stand against your lies, and Deppey responded by saying: "No, I want the TCJ forums to be wrecked by liars and trolls, so fuck off."

So, Ian, Hunter: you're doomed.

*Hunter and I spoke on the phone; he confirmed my identity. This put him on the shitlist of Danny Hellman and his stooges, who include Dirk and, it seems, Kristy Valenti.

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#233902 - 11/10/07 12:55 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
The actual Kim Nyholm Offline
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Why didn't you post this at TCJ? oh, right.

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#233903 - 11/10/07 01:03 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
Alex A Buchet Offline
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The real Kim Nyholm?

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dfr%26sa%3DG

You fucking liar.
Oh, by the way, Elrod-- why did you say you weren't banned, when, in fact, you were?

http://www.tcj.com/messboard/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1647

Want to prove me wrong? Just post again, anywhere on the TCJ board.

Go ahead.

What are you waiting for?

...Elrod?

Hmm?

...Elrod pussied out.

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#233904 - 11/10/07 01:13 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
The actual Kim Nyholm Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Alex A Buchet:
The real Kim Nyholm?

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dfr%26sa%3DG

You fucking liar.
Oh, by the way, Elrod-- why did you say you weren't banned, when, in fact, you were?

http://www.tcj.com/messboard/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1647

Want to prove me wrong? Just post again, anywhere on the TCJ board.

Go ahead.

What are you waiting for?

...Elrod?

Hmm?

...Elrod pussied out.
Tell you what... get yourself banned from TCJ again and Elrod will post a humorous "PWNED" photo on that thread too.

Are you crying? You're crying aren't you?

*hands you a tissue*

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#233905 - 11/10/07 01:57 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
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I didn't realize the thread got locked, lol.

Oh well.
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#233906 - 11/10/07 02:18 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
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That thread didn't get locked because everyone hates Hunter you fucking moron.
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#233907 - 11/10/07 02:53 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
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Quote:
Originally posted by kletz:
That thread didn't get locked because everyone hates Hunter you fucking moron.
You're right. Half of them want me in their anthologies so I must be doing something right!

Half assed, but right I'm sure.

and joe, while we're on it.

Why the fuck do we keep getting paired together in various publications?

It's always, me, then you printed right next to each other?

What's up with that?

Do they think we're the same person or something?
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#233908 - 11/10/07 03:14 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
Ceci n'est pas une chaussette Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Alex A Buchet:
Go ahead.

What are you waiting for?

...Elrod?

Hmm?

...Elrod pussied out.
You really don't get how message boards work, do you? If you're still typing a post, nobody can respond to it.
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#233909 - 11/10/07 03:14 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
kletz Offline
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What are you babbling about now?
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#233910 - 11/10/07 04:31 PM Re: Pretentious Chucklehead # 1
Alex A Buchet Offline
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He's babbling the truth that "Elrod" is a liar and a fucking coward.

Challenge to 'The Actual Kim Nyholm':

You claim that your 'Elrod' sock on the Comics Journal' board hasn't been banned.

I challenge you to prove that by posting ONE SINGLE POST, dated after today, the tenth of November, 2007-- anywhere you like; as long as it's on the Comics Journal Message Board, and that you link your post onto this thread.

Of course, you can't do it; you'll twist and turn and scream insults so that you can try to weasel your way out of it, but, baby-- it just will not work.

So, come on, 'Elrod', you lying coward-- which is forgivable, in the way of things (alas), EXCEPT!
...Except when your acts and statements convict you of deep stupidity.
And, Elrod?

You are deeply, deeply stupid.

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