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#274598 - 08/08/02 07:09 PM Re: Non-super GNs
dorian grey Offline
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Registered: 10/02/99
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Loc: California
I just read "The Complete Copybook Tales" by J. Torres & Tim Levins and liked it a lot. Kind of bridges the personal stories already listed with a touch of Superheroes to make those people comfortable.

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#274599 - 08/08/02 07:41 PM Re: Non-super GNs
SwiftMann Offline
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Registered: 08/03/01
Posts: 2014
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
In no particular order...

Box Office Poison

9-11: Emergency Relief from Alternative Comics

Pistolwhip

Slow News Day

Dumped

Hey, Mister

Pedro and me

A Complete Lowlife

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#274600 - 08/08/02 07:43 PM Re: Non-super GNs
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Registered: 04/25/02
Posts: 1197
Loc: New York
AKIRA...Ranma 1/2...

Where Hats Go by Kurt Wolfgang(BTW, books need covers...the only reason I even GOT that book is that I picked it up and said "What's this book that doesn't have a cover? oh, its cool.") But yeah, this book kicks ass. I like it, I can give it to anybody, not just grown ups, but also kids. Also, the icon-language gets amusing in some places("NO SCREW-BALL IDEAS!")

Queen of the Black Black by Megan Kelso. The book is cool, Kelso is cool, that's all I can say. This book has an "album" vibe. like every story is a song or something, its pretty diverse, yet there are many recurring themes that bring it all together.

32 Stories by Adrianne Tomine. I like this stuff just as much as his later, less-acclaimed Optic Nerve stuff.

Soundtrack by Jessica Abel. This is similar to Kelso's book, because I think it collects all her back-up stories and other extras...it was an enjoyable read; Abel's short pieces were some of my favorites.

Fear of Comics by Gilbert Hernandez. one of the funnest books I own. what a goofy book!

Hernandez Satyricon by Los Bros Hernandez. the second most funnest book I own. what a goofy book, times three!

Kissers by James Kochalka. This book really captures a strong feeling of yearning mixed with loss...the simply placed chapter breaks give it a peaceful vibe too. Altogether, its easily my favorite James Kochalka novel(of the ones I've read).

The Sketchbook Diaries by James Kochalka. Just because its not square-bound doesn't mean it doesn't count. Very good stuff by the same guy, of course.

Whoa Nellie! by Jamie Hernandez. Seriously; some of the BEST action scenes that I've witnessed(not even seen, WITNESSED!) in ANY comic.

King Bacchus by Eddie Campbell. The only Bacchus book I have, so the only one I'll plug. good shit!

Suckle: the Status of Basil. by Dave Cooper. Good, quality cartooning.

The rest of the stuff I like seems to have been plugged here already, so I won't waste your time restating just for name-drops sake.

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#274601 - 08/08/02 11:23 PM Re: Non-super GNs
RANDY Offline
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Registered: 05/12/00
Posts: 2343
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Everyone's used up a lot of the good choices so I'm going to have to dig deep for a couple of good examples.

ADOLF (5 Vols) by Osamu Tezuka. The creator of Astro Boy and The Phoenix has also produced an epic masterpiece set against WWII involving three people named Adolf and the secret they share.

BERLIN by Jason Lutes. Great story.

ROAD TO PERDITION by Collins and Raynes. An obvious choice.

Anything by Will Eisner.

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#274602 - 08/09/02 12:09 AM Re: Non-super GNs
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Damnit! Most of mine are taken. a few that aren't...

EXPO 2002 This is such a great book.

Eightball22 This wasn't a GN, but it was bigger than a normal comic, stands alone, and will not be collected. This was probably the best issue I read last year, and I'm glad the Eisners agree with me on this one.

I Never Liked You by Chester Brown was very sparse, but made me feel better about my childhood.
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#274603 - 08/09/02 08:33 AM Re: Non-super GNs
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Registered: 03/16/02
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Loc: washington d.c.
The song of roland. good graphic novel.

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#274604 - 08/09/02 04:10 PM Re: Non-super GNs
darryl comix Offline
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Registered: 04/25/02
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Loc: New York
the new Expo is out?

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#274605 - 08/09/02 09:06 PM Re: Non-super GNs
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Cages by DAve McKean - full on brilliant even with the story drift that takes places. sequences never to be duplicated

three fingers by Koslowski - super funny, and a lot of work by the author who I had the fortune to sit next to in San Diego

How to be an artist by eddie campbell - he got it all down, including the interesting real life details and fascinating metaphors to interior life in the artist's head
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#274606 - 08/09/02 09:51 PM Re: Non-super GNs
Lord Julius Offline
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Registered: 06/28/02
Posts: 523
Loc: St. Louis, Mo.
Quote:
Originally posted by Mvoid:

Before we get started though, let's get a couple of ground rules down. . . .

(snip)

Lastly, let's get specific. For instance, Sandman is not an answer. Kindly Ones is.



See, I have a big problem with this. I really do regard the entire "Sandman" sequence, from "Sleep of the Just" to "The Tempest," to be a single novel. That it happens to be printed in 10 volumes doesn't disqualify the whole to be thought of as a single work of art -- would you insist that "The Return of the King" is a novel but "Lord of the Rings" is not?

The entire "Sandman" saga is only a little longer than the two-volume "Church & State" -- surely you wouldn't deny that those two volumes form one novel (more on Cerebus itself in a moment)? I agree with the guy who put the five-volume "Adolph" down, too.

Now, I'll admit that there are works such as "Cerebus" or "Lone Wolf and Cub" that are so long they are difficult to treat as a single novel. We need a new category or term for such works, "graphic epic" or the like, to indicate that they are just too vast to be properly compared to what we normally think of as a novel. And when large chunks of stories that big can be broken out into unified wholes that can stand alone, it makes sense to do so, as at least one of many valid ways to examine them.

But "Sandman" just isn't that huge. It's one novel, made up of smaller stories, some of which could be thought of as novels if they could stand on their own, but for the most part they really don't. "Cerebus" is that huge, so I do list parts of it.

"Berlin" is an unfinished work in progress. The first volume is on my list as a separate work just because that's all that's published in this format so far, but when it's finished it will be a single work published in three volumes.

"Love and Rockets" isn't any bigger than "Sandman," but it's not as monolithic, either. While the chunks fit together, they don't really make a coherent whole from beginning to end. "The Death of Speedy Ortiz" doesn't really have a resolution, but neither does "Chester Square," so even aside from the two brother's separate concerns (three really -- people forget Mario), it makes no sense to insist on "Love and Rockets" being thought of as a whole.

On the other hand, short stories related only by place or theme without a unified narrative running through them do not to me consitute a "novel," no matter how good they are, so I've excluded "A Contract With God" and "A Life Force" by Eisner, though I did include "Dropsie Avenue," since it tells a single story throughout. There are other Eisner works that probably fit, but I haven't read them all yet.

Ever since Truman Capote published "In Cold Blood" as a "nonfiction novel" it's been accepted that a true tale told novelistically qualifies, but not everything labeled a "graphic novel" should be. "Understanding Comics" is an absolutely essential book everyone should have on their shelves, but it's not on this list. "Maus" is.

Those are my ground rules. I was going to try to put these in order of preference, but I decided to go alphabetical instead:

Adolph (5 volumes)
by Osamu Tezuka

Age of Bronze Vol. 1 - A Thousand Ships
by Eric Shanower

Alec: Three Piece Suit
by Eddie Campbell
(Yeah, I know it violates my unity rule, but the two graphic novels included ("Graffiti Kitchen" and "The Dance of Lifey Death") are almost impossible to find as stand-alones. And yeah, they're too short to really be novels, at 48-pages each. Tough. I'm calling each one a novel, and each one's worth being on this list. So there.)

All the Wrong Places
by Tom Galambos

Berlin - Part One (of 3)
by Jason Lutes

The Birthday Riots
by Nabiel Kanan

Blood of Palomar
by Gilbert Hernandez

Bone (7 volumes so far)
by Jeff Smith

Cages
by Dave McKean

Chelo's Burden
by Gilbert Hernandez

Church and State (2 volumes)
by Dave Sim and Gerhard

The Compleat Moonshadow
by J.M. DeMatteis and Jon J. Muth

The Cowboy Wally Show
by Kyle Baker

The Death of Speedy Ortiz
by Jaime Hernandez

Dropsie Avenue: The Neighborhood
by Will Eisner

Ethel and Ernest
by Raymond Briggs

Flies on the Ceiling
by Jaime Hernandez

Four Immigrants Manga
by Henry Yoshitaka Kiyama

From Hell
by Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell

High Society
By Dave Sim

I Never Liked You
by Chester Brown

Jaka's Story
by Dave Sim and Gerhard

Jar of Fools
by Jason Lutes

A Jew in Communist Prague (3 volumes so far)
by Vittorio Giardino

The Jew of New York
by Ben Katchor

Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth
by Chris Ware

Lost Girl
by Nabiel Kanan

Love and Rockets X
by Gilbert Hernandez

Maus (2 volumes)
by Art Spiegelman

Melmoth
by Dave Sim and Gerhard

Our Cancer Year
by Harvey Pekar, Joyce Brabner and Frank Stack

Palestine(2 volumes)
by Joe Sacco

Pedro and Me
by Judd Winick

The Playboy
by Chester Brown

Poison River
by Gilbert Hernandez

Safe Area Goradze
by Joe Sacco

Sandman (10 volumes)
by Neil Gaiman and various
(if you insist, consider each of the 10 volumes listed separately -- there's not a weak one among them)

Signal to Noise
by Neil Gaiman and Dave McKean

Stuck Rubber Baby
by Howard Cruse

The Tale of One Bad Rat
by Bryan Talbot

Thieves and Kings (3 volumes so far)
by Mark Oakley

Torso
by Brian Michael Bendis and Marc Andreyko

The Tragical Comedy or Comical Tragedy of Mr. Punch
by Neil Gaiman and Dave McKean

Uncle Sam
by Steve Darnall and Alex Ross
(I know what you're thinking -- wasn't there a 40s superhero character by this name? Yes, there was. Doesn't DC own that character now? Yes, they do, but no, this doesn't have anything to do with him.)

Violent Cases
by Neil Gaiman and Dave McKean

Wandering Star (3 volumes)
by Teri Sue Wood

Why I Hate Saturn
by Kyle Baker

Wig Wam Bam
by Jaime Hernandez

Final note: I left off Preacher and The Invisibles because it could possibly be argued that they are essentially non-costume superhero books, and because I've certainly got enough stuff on my list already, but I think they're well worth reading.
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#274607 - 08/10/02 11:45 AM Re: Non-super GNs
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Originally posted by darryl comix:
the new Expo is out?


Whoops! I meant 2001. I'm getting 2002 in the mail at the end of September. I also ordered this new thing called Potlatch 2002 for 5.95. I don't know exactly what it is, but if it's anything like EXPO, it'll be worth it. If it sucks (big if), at least, I gave another 6 bucks to CBLDF.
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