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#274664 - 08/14/02 05:21 PM Looking for a gift recommendation...
A.Hunt Offline
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I've got a friend who's not into comics, but who has expressed some interest in learning a bit about the medium. Her birthday's coming up, and I'd like to get her a nice GN or collection as a gift. I don't read much myself, so I don't know what's out there that she'd want--can anyone offer any recommendations? I was thinking of picking up a trade of Lucifer for her (it seems like the kind of thing she might like); where would be the best place for a new reader of the book to start? I hear it starts off slowly and then picks up later on, so I don't know if I should get the first volume or a later one.

No superheroes, goth stuff, teenaged/20-something angstiness, or straight crime, please. I've already shown her 100 Bullets and JTHM, and she wasn't interested. Mystery might be a nice genre, but nothing too hardboiled--she's not a noir fan, sadly. Thanks a lot!

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#274665 - 08/14/02 11:33 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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Well, it sounds like your friend is hard to buy for, but I have a few suggestions:

Torso - By Brian Michael Bendis - It's about Elliot Ness (God, I hope I got his name right) and his first case. I was hooked from the start.

Whiteout - By Greg Rucka - A female lead solving a mystery in Antarctica. I thought it was well written and entertaining.

Or, take her to a comic shop and let her browse and pick something out.

Good luck!

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#274666 - 08/15/02 12:54 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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There's a good manga series that most women seem to fall for called MAISON IKKOKU by Rumiko Tackahashi. It's about the romance between a young man who's going to college and the older woman who owns the appartment building he lives in. Spread out over several thousand pages and 14 volumes it ends with their wedding and his graduation.

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#274667 - 08/15/02 01:56 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
Todd Lawrence Offline
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Goodbye, Chunky Rice is a beautiful story.

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#274668 - 08/15/02 03:16 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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The Human Target is excellent!

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#274669 - 08/15/02 03:28 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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I was gonna say Good-bye, Chunky Rice, too. If you can get ahold of a copy, give her The King of Persia, too. What a double-bill that would be.

Beautiful books.

And there's always Maus if you want to hit her with something really heavy.

Matthew

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#274670 - 08/15/02 09:11 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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i would recommend picking up for her a copy of Alias by Marvel !!

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#274671 - 08/15/02 09:20 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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I'll stand by that the perfect first-time comic is The Cowboy Wally Show by Kyle Baker. It's hysterically funny, and accessable to those who don't normally like comics.

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#274672 - 08/15/02 10:01 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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"No superheroes, goth stuff, teenaged/20-something angstiness, or straight crime, please. I've already shown her 100 Bullets and JTHM, and she wasn't interested. Mystery might be a nice genre, but nothing too hardboiled--she's not a noir fan, sadly. Thanks a lot!"

Given these words, a number of books suggested to you on this thread strike me as inappropriate.

But, also given these words, I wonder if you might want to consider any and all of Rick Geary's A Treasury of Victorian Murder. Sorta mysteries, and very droll, non-noir ones at that. Great books, Geary is a modern treasure himself.

Matthew

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#274673 - 08/15/02 11:08 AM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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P'raps the first two volumes of Cerebus:

CEREBUS (1-25)
HIGH SOCIETY (26-50)

That is, if she can dig an anthropomorphic aardvark as a main character (of COURSE she can!).


T laugh

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#274674 - 08/15/02 12:12 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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Quote:
Originally posted by TIP:
P'raps the first two volumes of Cerebus:

CEREBUS (1-25)
HIGH SOCIETY (26-50)

That is, if she can dig an anthropomorphic aardvark as a main character (of COURSE she can!).


T laugh


^^ The aardvark isn't the problem--his creator is. I mentioned Dave Sim's rants to her one day, and then, since she was curious, showed her the long one that the Comics Journal archives...

Let's just say that neither of us are about to throw a few pennies into Dave Sim's pockets.

I think I'll try to find that Victorian mystery one; sounds right up her alley. She likes mysteries with a hint of the macabre, but typical Slave Labor stuff is a bit more than a hint. I may pick up Fables, too, and give it a read-through. If she won't like it, at least I'll have copies of it smile . (Also, I'd really love to just take her down to Sarge's and loose her on the racks, but there's a small problem: she's in Louisiana, and I'm not. Would that things were that easy!)

Thanks to all that replied!

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#274675 - 08/15/02 12:14 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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Quote:
Originally posted by A.Hunt:

No superheroes, goth stuff, teenaged/20-something angstiness, or straight crime, please. I've already shown her 100 Bullets and JTHM, and she wasn't interested. Mystery might be a nice genre, but nothing too hardboiled--she's not a noir fan, sadly. Thanks a lot!


Given this description, and the hint that she might like "Lucifer," I think it's pretty clear that the best thing to do is to give her a volume of "Sandman." The only question is, which one?"

I wouldn't start with the first one, even though it is all one story and you need to read the whole thing in order to really appreciate it. (I also wouldn't start with the first Cerebus volume if you decide to go that route -- both Gaiman and Sim struggled a bit at first and get really good only after the first few issues.)

The two best choices would be:

1) "A Doll's House," which is the second volume, and whose main protagonist is a young woman (about 21 or so) who is a vortex of dreams, and so comes to the attention of Morpheus, Dream of the Endless.

2) "Dream Country," the third volume, a book of unrelated short stories that includes "A Midsummer Night's Dream," which won the World Fantasy Award for Best Short Story, the first work of comics ever to win a major award in head-to-head competition with prose works ("Watchmen" and "Maus" won "special" awards), causing such consternation that they changed the rules the next day making comics ineligible.

If you haven't read the "Sandman" series yourself, either of these would also be a good place for you to start.

Most of the suggestions here seem unlikely to turn her on, frankly. "High Society," maybe, and "Cowboy Wally" is great. "Maison Ikkoku" is good, but even more of an investment than Sandman at 14 volumes (at least in time -- the books are cheaper, though). You might also consider "Strangers in Paradise" -- I probably would go for the first book with that one. If you want a one shot that's not part of a bigger story, the above mentioned "Cowboy Wally" fits, as does "The Tale of One Bad Rat" and "Berlin: City of Stones." All of them are good, and more importantly all of them are completely free of even a hint of the qualities you say she doesn't want.
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#274676 - 08/15/02 03:15 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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Pedro and Me is a very touching book. It almost made me cry when I read it. I wouldn't call it angst ridden, either. Even if you don't like "The Real World", its still a good book.

How about Road to Perdition? I haven't read it, but she might be more "accepting" of it since they made a movie of it, that is, if she was interested in the movie.

Ultimatly though, I have to say you're better off picking out something you think she'd like, based on what you know of her. None of here know what this nice young lady is like, except for what little you've told us she likes and dislikes. Think about what her favorate movies, books, etc are, and try to find a graphic novel that fits those themes. Just a humble suggestion. smile
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#274677 - 08/15/02 03:41 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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Originally posted by Philip Looney:

How about Road to Perdition? I haven't read it, but she might be more "accepting" of it since they made a movie of it, that is, if she was interested in the movie.


No, no, no! Have you read the book? It's almost non-stop graphic violence from beginning to end -- I mean it's done really well, and I really liked it, but it's NOT the type of thing likely to appeal to someone who has already rejected "100 Bullets"!!

Your other suggestion was very good. "Pedro and Me" might do the trick. I also hope that what you're doing is taking our suggestions as things to carefully browse through at the bookstore and/or comic store of your choice, judging them on what you know of her, since, as Philip quite rightly points out, you know her better than we do.
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#274678 - 08/15/02 04:05 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
Philip Looney Offline
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Originally posted by Lord Julius:
Have you read the book?



Like I said, no, I haven't. What I thought is that perhaps the young lady like/was mildly interested in the movie, then she might enjoy the comic book.
I haven't seen the movie either, by the by...
I'm a little miffed they changed Paul Newman's characters name from Looney (which it was in the comic) to Rooney for the movie, but that's a whole other bag of beans.

What do you think of the "Big Books"? There is such a wide variety of subjects. My personal favorates include the 70s, Urban Legends, and Weirdos, and Grimm Fairy Tales. There are others like Unxplained, UFOs, Hoaxes, etc. Most book stores carry them, and finer comic shops, of course.
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#274679 - 08/17/02 05:54 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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Originally posted by A.Hunt:
No superheroes, goth stuff, teenaged/20-something angstiness, or straight crime, please. I've already shown her 100 Bullets and JTHM, and she wasn't interested. Mystery might be a nice genre, but nothing too hardboiled--she's not a noir fan, sadly. Thanks a lot!


Perfect fit: Ruse: Enter The Detective TPB. Mystery but not noirish, smart female protagonist, and it's of moderate length with a brisk pace. Art is beautiful, and it's an "all ages" type of book, for all intents and purposes.
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#274680 - 08/17/02 11:19 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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One suggestion I haven't seen : Elfquest. Women have an affinity for that title.

Lone Wolf & Cub ?

Love & Rockets ?

How about some of the excellent Robert Crumb volumes from Fantagraphics ?
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#274681 - 08/18/02 12:20 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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I'm thinking a good title to go with would be I Never Liked You. Sweet and sensitive comics, appeals to the woman in us all.

Some Eddie Campbell might hit the spot for her as well. The King Canute Crowd and After The Snooter appeal to just about everyone alive, it seems.

Why not tell us what sort of movies she likes? might aid the selection process.

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#274682 - 08/18/02 03:16 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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I think Groo is a perfect gift for anyone.

Other suggestions have already been mentioned here, Kyle Baker stuff, Sandman, Strangers in Paradise [I would suggest the 2nd book, "I Dream of You", but that's just me].

Hate is about 20-somethings, but there's not much in the way of angst, so it might be worth a shot.

Or someone else's idea of just taking her to a store and letting her browse.
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#274683 - 08/18/02 05:35 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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I'd recommend:

Any Bone TPB

Fortune and Glory

Is there a Hepcats TPB? I don't think I've seen one, but if you find one, Hepcats was a great book. (DAMN YOU MARTIN WAGNER!!!)

Any of the Gon books are cool too.

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#274684 - 08/18/02 11:32 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
Matthew High Offline
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I find most people are hooked by a good story that can be translated into a short push for the book.

For instance, I wouldn't expect many folks to take a recommendation on Ghost World as it is hard to describe and to get people excited about. Watchmen, Understanding Comics, Maus, and many good starting points are hard to describe as something people would like to read. But it is still a fabulous book. Ruse: Enter the Detective would be a good book, but I personally think the beginning scene and entire first half of the first issue is down right confusing for most neophytes. I tried it on three people... they were confuzzled. Take a look at some of the leaps between panels say on the first two pages.

On the other hand, a book like Season of Mists (Sandman) is easily described as, "The God of Dreams, Morpheus, is tricked into taking the keys of hell by Lucifer himself and has to deal with it."

Or Stuck Rubber Baby, "A gay young man comes to terms with his sexuality during the civil rights movement of the 60's." This book I wouldn't recommend as the characters are tough to tell apart, though.

Or Concrete, "A man's body is transformed by aliens to Concrete and the world embraces him as a Celebrity. This attention and the situations it gets him into are more harrowing than any alien probing."

Or Whiteout, "The sheriff of an Anarctic research town has to deal with a gruesome murder. Cold, lonely and people are out to get you. Sounds like fun."

Or Torso, which is a great book and historical, too. Or Kabuki: Circle of Blood, "A lethal assassin in her own cycle she can't escape." Astro City Confessor series is quite good, "A Superhero is suspected of a series of serial murders."

Why not describe a few to her in this manner and see which she says, That Sounds Good, to.

-Robert

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#274685 - 08/19/02 01:52 PM Re: Looking for a gift recommendation...
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How about a little robot boy who fights for world peace? hee hee

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