Originally posted by jack:
Oh, you mean like we do?

Do we send our soldiers out there in civilian populations and have them blow themselves up, Jack?

Originally posted by Brent Grenier:


Gen. Sherman did the equivalent...and probably would have had his own men blown up if he could have gotten away with it.

We won't even get into that our entire country was founded by a bunch of terrorists or that our first army was made of a buch of terrorist volunteers.

But, hey, why quibble?

Originally posted by "Cisco Bunny":
Bush has said:

"I can't wait to tell all of those Jews in Israel that they are going to hell."

and

"Israel must exist so that the Jews will follow the Anti-Christ. Christ will not return until this happens."

So who is the real anti-Semite, Sam? Will you condemn Bush for his hatred of Jews?

Well, the Jewish voters will... in the last election (02), 77% of them voted Dem. They just have a plain old hard time with a party and a President who considers them to be merely characters in some Apocalypse Passion Play.

Originally posted by Samuel Catalino:
Nah, we all await for the next Dean mistake.

I still love these gems:

"...there is a war going on in the Middle East, and members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and, therefore, it seems to me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make war" September 2003 Howard Dean

Yep, those Hamas are sure soldiers. I am sure the many civilians who have been murdered in Israel look at them as soldiers too, eh? Of course, who are they killing...Jews!!!

Then his other comment in late October of this year:

"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks,"

I guess that meant that he was looking for support from the KKK, right?

No one is saying God bless you to this Klan supporting Anti-semitic.

Originally posted by Brian Bell:


While I would agree that Dean has stuck his foot in his mouth on occassion, the truth is people -- like Republican supporters and other Democrat candidates -- are twisting Dean's words. Samuel Catalino, I will assume you are ignorant of this.

The first Dean quote is not whole in its context, though it hints at what he meant. A reporter, for CNN I believe, asked him what he thought of Israel's policy of "targetted killing" or assassination (let's not mince words) against Hamas militants. His reply was basically, as you can read in your own Dean quote, Hamas members will be killed if they make war against Israel. Dean was NOT defining them as soldiers covered under the Geneva Conventions. Dean was saying, in fact, quite the opposite. That they ought to expect to be assassinated if they blow up buses, etc.

The second quote, about being a candidate for "guys with Confederate flags in their pick-up trucks," merely meant he wanted to get the white Southern vote as well as the votes of the traditional Democrat base. While I personally despise the racist symbol that is the Confederate flag, I think it's fairly obvious that not every person who hangs that symbol in the back of their pick-up truck is a member of the KKK. I also doubt there are many members of the KKK who would vote for Dean. (Can George Bush claim the same? I think not.) I think the Confederate flag comment was more insulting as a stereotype of Southern whites than it was an unintentional endorsement of racism.

You, Samuel Catalino, should not believe everything you hear without first checking into the veracity of what is being said.

Last, you are very, very wrong about Dean being a KKK-supporting anti-Semite.

A quick perusal of Democrat policies since 1967 -- which Republicans have consistently opposed also since 1967, not to mention all the southern Republican who used to be Dems until the early '60s -- surely contradict that idea.

As for the anti-Semite part, Dean's wife and children are Jewish.

So, next time, really, you should check into the facts a little more and not just buy into the soundbites.

As for Dean's brother, I had not read it or heard it anywhere until this thread, but my first thought about his brother was -- CIA. Laos? "Activist" touring the country during the middle of the Vietnam War? It's interesting to read that apparently Dean's parents thought the same thing. Of course, the Agency would never confirm it, even if it was true.