The exchange, you know, the Palestinians kill some civilians, the Israelis kill some civilians.

What would you call it?

So then, all those civilian deaths in Iraq that we have caused, that would be murder too?

Hate to be the buzzkill on this thread, but at the time of the transportation of the body believed to be that of Dean's brother, there wasn't 100% certainty that THAT particular body was in fact, Dean.

If, in the remote chance that the remains are not Dean, there's an extremely high chance that the remains are indeed of a serviceman, and the flag draped coffin is certainly appropriate.

The body was coming to America for detailed analysis. Having it transported in the fashion it was simply covered the bases in the event that the body was indeed a serviceman.

No. Not "spin." I am good at facts.



No, Sam, you are wrong. Your criticism is not justified. Your criticism is not criticism at all. It is, at best, "spin."

What Dean had to say about how Israel deals with Hamas is quite relevant. Dean was speaking specifically about extra-judicial killings of Hamas members. Dean was not defining Hamas as conventional soldiers covered under Geneva Conventions. What Dean was saying was Hamas are NOT conventional soldiers, and they should expect to be treated as the terrorists you say they are. If they blow up a bus or whatever, they should expect to get blown up themselves. He was defending Israel's policies on that matter. What he said was the exact opposite of what Republican supporters, other Democrat candidates and you, Sam, are twisting his words to claim against him, and you know it, Sam.

And from this, you extrapolate that the man is an anti-Semite? For defending an Israeli policy? Truthfully, it's more than "spin." It's a lie, Sam. You and many others are, in effect, lying about Dean.



Not everyone who own the Confederate flag, a racist symbol, is a member of the KKK, obviously. Dean was merely saying he wanted to get the white southern vote, in a manner that stereotyped those Southern whites. That's where Dean's fault lies -- in stereotyping Southern whites -- not in supporting a racist institution, which he obviously does not.

His policies as governor of Vermont and his platform as a candidate, and indeed the policies of the Democrats as a whole for the last 37 years, run completely against the grain of what the Klan stands for. Indeed, the Democrats have paid a steep price for those anti-racist policies. It has cost them the South in every election since 1964, an area of the country that the Democrats used to own, practically. But, now, the Republicans own it. Why? Because those racist Democrats and their inheritors jumped ship, they became Republicans, and their racist policies have not really changed. I think you're smart enough, Sam, to know all of this. Again, you are in effect lying.



What is your point, Sam? What does Hitler and Hitler's genealogy have to do with Dr. Dean? Nothing.

Dean is married to a Jewish woman and has two Jewish children. You call him an anti-Semite, which is utterly preposterous. You know it.

I point this out to you, and you continue on with some bizarre analogy about Hitler and Dean, which has nothing to do with anything and is totally off topic.

Words have meaning, Sam. They are not there to be twisted. If you twist them, people think ill of you. Do you want people to think badly about you? I didn't think ill of you before, now I do.

You are lying about the man, Dr. Dean. Now, you are attempting to twist my own words.

You are a slanderer. You are a liar, Sam.

You're missing the point, man! Remains of MIA's should only be treated with dignity if we know with 100% certainty that they are not the remains of Democrats.

Nice post, Mr Bell.

No, you are good at spin, not at facts. The fact is that is what Dean said.



You can say anything you wish, but that does not change the fact of what Dean said.



Dean did not qualify his comments in the statement he made. He said that Hamas were soldiers. There is no twisting of his words. Either they are or they are not. His comments did not differentiate what kind of soldiersHamas, only that they were soldiers. I am not twisting anything. You are engaging in spin and lying about what he said.



No, I am not lying. I imagine the government of Israel would be very surprised to know that a USA President candidate considers members of Hamas soldiers. I believe that Israel looks at them as terrorists and criminals. Perhaps in the same vein as Nazi criminals, and of course. Any one who supports such people are usually called Anti-Semitic.




You brought up the argument that just because Dean is married to a Jew, that is a justification that he can't possibly be an Anti-Semite or have Anti-Semitic views. I used that to shatter your argument filled with holes.

I am not lying about the man. I am no slanderer. You are a name calling individual who invents spin. Are you related to Carville or Rice?

Very nice post, Mr Bell