#421005 - 02/15/05 04:01 PM
Re: "Men and women are biologically different"
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Originally posted by jenny gonzalez: Originally posted by Dean R Milburn:
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Putting aside for a minute that the big problem I had with your statement is the fact that you said that an entire gender is incapable of doing math and science (he didn't) and that said he listed biology as the sole cause (he didn't, which you now seem to admit) I ask you:
Is it fucked up because you believe after studying the research on the topic it isn't true? Is it fucked up because based on your own experiences it isn't true? Or is it fucked up because it's some how harmful to women whether it's true or not?
If the answer to the first question is yes, then I apologize because I didn't get that from your statement. If the answer to the second question is yes, then I'd say if that's how you want to make up your mind so be it. If the answer to the third question is yes, then I think that's fucked up. There is a conflict in your response that I can't get over: you "seriously do no believe it's [biologically based differences in ability by gender] true" but at the same time none of the research you've read proved anything to you, and even if you agreed with the research you wouldn't trust it. Why the level of certainty then?
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#421006 - 02/15/05 04:22 PM
Re: "Men and women are biologically different"
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Originally posted by justapilgrim32: Gene, I can handle that. I mean it's only human to be leery of what you percieve to be interlopers. But why would anyone think that's a western or American phenomenon? I live in the south, North Carolina, former heart of the textile industry. Would not the same inane rants that Eldritch makes work in that scenario? Could not China and Mexico (with help from unscrupulous (read greedy) textile giants) be held up to these accusatioins. They've undercut prices on textile manufaturing to the point that it puts poor Americans out of jobs, all the while paying the low income Mexicans and Asians pennies? Where's the cries of injustice from the likes of Eldritch in that scenario? Where's the radical suicide textile bomber? I'll tell you where... they don't exist. Ya know why? Because we're more rational. We know the gives and takes that are free market enterprise. If they can get it done cheaper, make more capitol for thier investors, while still delivering the same quality products to their customers... hell they'd be fools not to... and out of business if they didnt. And yes, that sucks big ones for southern textile workers, but i don't see the mujahadeen raising up out! And before Eldritch goes balistic at that comparison, i am fully aware that it's American cooperate heads that largely make the decision where the work goes, much as it's the heads of these muslim nations that are making many of the decisions that these fanatics ascribe to us. I just don't see the grave injustice that America/western culture has forced upon the arabs. Not of the conspiratory scale that Eldritch so readily attrivbutes to...... us?
Yeah--poor white men, they (Deranged Towel-Heads) are the ones who are racist, not our profit margin-obsessed leadership, depopulation isn't a reason for war, and no billionaires, despots or power brokers have ever gotten together in a room in secret to decide the fate of millions, or the 'cost-effectiveness' of an armed incursion. Oh, and the same five companies don't own EVERY media outlet in the U.S., and they don't give us what we want to hear with the most palatable presentation, or leave out anything that would lead to outright civil war. -Signed, Facetious-Man
Steve To be branded insane and eventually 'full of it' by you has turned out to be an honor, judging from the rest of your statement...it seems like ANY line of actual thinking is a farce to you--you believe everything Fox News tells you, without question, since you're going all personal with it. Sorry, effects have causes, and 50+ years of shitty, racially-motivated foreign affairs choices on the part of our leadership, like putting Fascist Dictators in power, and giving them money, over countries to keep them from going Commie, caused Arab and third world countries to hate our Aristocracy. If they're just looney, under our law, they shouldn't be held accountable, should they? Read a book, fer chrissakes...your hysterical reaction is like you're terrified that I might be right, and you don't wanna hear it. Where did I say we deserved it? I'm saying the arms dealers who run things and have you all brainwashed do.
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#421007 - 02/15/05 04:47 PM
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It's been awhile since one poster told another to read a book.
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#421008 - 02/15/05 07:57 PM
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More lists of the best books would probably help.
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#421009 - 02/15/05 10:44 PM
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#421010 - 02/15/05 11:43 PM
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I don't know if it's great, but it is free, which is unusual.
I read a dozen paragraphs in three chapters and sprained my neck from the spin.
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#421011 - 02/16/05 12:11 AM
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A little too well-documented to be spun, don't you think? Sound bytes and opinions expressed as fact, with no research, are more of a 'spin' thing. Looked pretty straight forward and cogent to me, and I've actually read some of the declassified government documents about Dubya's grandpas, The Union Banking Corporation and Fritz Thiessen. The part where George Senior puts those cute puppies into a burlap sack, and beats them to a fine gluten with a baseball bat was a little shady, but most of it looked fairly accurate. By all means, if it disagrees with your politics, ignore it.
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#421012 - 02/16/05 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by jenny gonzalez:
Why is it "not rational" to refuse to be branded as genetically inferior and fight back against it?
It's part of self-preservation. That makes sense, if you believe that inferior people should not be employed, should be exterminated. No, wait, the topic is women. Can't exterminate women without exterminating humanity. Hmmm. My eyes are weak. I should refuse to be branded as genetically inferior? No. I am gentetically inferior. Correct response? I wear glasses. They are a crutch, but, so what? The Bell Curve demonstrated that, statistically, Caucasians are dumber than Asians and Jews, and Asians are dumber than Jews. I am Caucasian. As a class, we are genetically inferior (in the intelligence arena) to Asians and Jews. Correct response by Caucasians? Be nice to Asians and Jews, 'cause they're smart. Ya can't fight facts. Rational?
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#421013 - 02/16/05 01:33 AM
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It demonstrated no such thing.
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#421014 - 02/16/05 09:00 AM
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Charles,
Do you have an idea what this guy is on about?
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