There's immunity to viruses, of course...for example, you can only get measles and mumps once each, because the body develops antibodies to these viruses preventing future infections.

The problem with HIV is that the virus is so virulent that it propagates faster than the antibodies can, and then it weakens the immune system so that it stops making any further antibodies.

THAT is why all AIDS patients have HIV-antibodies in their systems yet cannot fight off the virus.

If anyone could ever survive an HIV infection and be cured of it, they would, indeed, be immune from a future infection...problem is, they die from OTHER diseases that the HIV has made them especially susceptible to.

And, no, it's not the treatment that's killing them...otherwise no one would have died from AIDS-related infections before the treatments were developed. And if no one had died, why would the treatments have been developed?

That's the CDC line Pat. Visit this site

http://www.duesberg.com

This gent wrote the book on viruses, and discovered quite a bit in the process.

For example, Duesberg proves that this statement

The problem with HIV is that the virus is so virulent that it propagates faster than the antibodies can, and then it weakens the immune system so that it stops making any further antibodies.

Has no scientific proof to back it up. It may well be a theory, but they don't know that's what actually happens.


If anyone could ever survive an HIV infection and be cured of it, they would, indeed, be immune from a future infection...problem is, they die from OTHER diseases that the HIV has made them especially susceptible to.

Everyone survives HIV Pat. Hiv doesn't "mutate". Take some time to look at this stuff if you can. Duesberg's very controversial, but he works with pure science, not theory like Gallo and Burroughs/Wellcome. Burroughs Wellcome MAKES all these drugs and has done all these studies. All protease inhibitors are just that, they replicate DNA with a broken strand. The end result to that therapy is cancer, infortunately.

Ask Earvin Johnson, and many more like him with HIV and are healthy if they ever considered AZT or DDI. There are tens of thousands of HIV+ folks who never get sick. Ever.

What about them Pat? Are they an anomaly in this aggressive mutating faster than the antibodies can follow virus scheme? I'm not making fun of you here, I just am pretty through with that as the mechanism for this pathogen.

Jack:

Let me put it this way--the people who claim HIV/AIDS is something other than what the major health researchers say it is are, to me, like the creationists. They refuse to accept overwhelmingly generally accepted science, science that has been tested and peer-reviewed, because it doesn't fit their preconceived religious and/or cultural biases.

Duesberg is one of the leading researchers on both retroviruses and HIV/AIDS, his work has been peer reviewed, and his newest book concludes the 7 and 15 year studies that prove his theories, that AIDS is a phony construct, and has more to do with antibiotic abuse and the drugs that are given to treat the syndrome that the "disease" itself.

How about a 96 percent death rate for people who use AZT within 7 years Pat?

How about a corresponding 12 percent death rate on those with the same diagnosis but no AZT? 85 percent of HIV diagnoses that simply stop IV drug abuse and never touch another antibiotic go on to stay alive for 15 years or more, and never develop fatal secondary syndrome symptoms?

You still didn't explain away Magic Johnson's diagnosis? He has AIDS by your definition, and has lived a healthy life since. Ndever took AZT but has HIV. He's not alone, btw there are many people not so famous who have been alive for many years since their diagnosis.

What about that?

Also, you accept the notion that DNA chain synthesis termination is the proper treatment for initial HIV infection?

According to all the scientific reports at the end of the 80s, half the world should be dead by now.

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According to the Club of Rome's "Limits to Growth," and Paul Ehrlich's earlier "The Population Bomb," everyone should be dead from starvation by now.

According to the greenies, man-made global warming is reaching catastrophic proportions, the polar ice-caps will melt, and we'll all be living on Waterworld before you can say "Jack Robinson."

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Someone define for us under-educated sorts.

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I think it means taking antibiotics sort of like vitamins, regularly, to ward off (prophylactic) bacterial infections that one might encounter from homo slutting about.

"Abuse" because 1) antibiotics are not meant to be taken as a prophylactic (preventive / protective / insulation) measure, but as a theraputic treatment; and 2) when antibiotics are not taken properly (always completely finish your regimen of antibiotics) they may not completely kill bacteria, and mutated super-bacteria may then emerge.

But I'm just guessing.

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Hey, I agree.

Yeah, and Jasmine St. Claire. And Houston. And that "Spantaneeous Combustion" chick. Funny you should mention that. It was brought to my attention, by a gay man, that those videos — featuring hundreds of men and only a few women — are some of the gayest scenes ever filmed.

Otherwise, just generally observe the content of the fantasies presented in adult entertainment. The straight stuff is far more interested in learning something about the subjects. Usually something awful, though.

No. I've known and spoken with dozens of gay men, perhaps a hundred. I've known definitely more than a hundred gay people, of both genders. Learn to read.

Numbers can be interpreted any way somebody wants. As you have proven. These are the real gay people that I have known. I don't see you even offering any personal experiences.


Oh... my dad is friends with two guys who own bars, and one guy who is the general manager of a hotel that has an public bar/lounge. I asked them last week about the straight sex problems in the bathrooms, or wherever. The two bar owners said they'd happened upon the occasional blowjob, but it was rare. The hotel manager said he'd fired a girl who came in on her off hours and had sex with her boyfriend in the broom closet, elevator, etc. But otherwise, not a problem.

The state trooper who lives on my block says the rest stops are a constant hot spot for gay sex activity.