Seriously James, calling Porta names just makes him feel happy -he obviously likes the attention. The best way to get rid of him is ask him a direct, rational question that exposes the inherent contradictions/and/or flat-out lunacy of his position, and watch him run like the cowardly bitch he is.

Actually, you got made out to be a homophobe by your statement that gay people are promiscuous by nature. Which you now seem to be qualifying like crazy.

I love how when you say something, it's our fault for pointing it out.

I'm concerned about STDs for anyone. It's why I promote safe sex education whenever possible.

It's also why I think it's foolish and dangerous to assume that AIDS is a gay problem.

You've been meeting the wrong women.

An amazing fact... women like sex as much as men. Assuming the men do it right.

I'm curious as to where the gay men in question are finding all these willing partners. I mean... I think we agreed a while back to (or at least compromised on) the idea that homosexuals amount to roughly 5% of the population.

Presumably, the gay men in question would be sleeping with other gay men. Which would be... what, 2.5% of the people they meet?

Of course, if you go to a gay bar that's a total meat market, everyone's a potential willing partner. Just as, if you go to a straight bar that's a total meat market, every girl you meet is going to be a potential willing partner. And whether in a meat market bar, or just meeting people day by day, straight girls outnumber gay men by a VERY large number.

And now, as far as worldwide statistics go, it is a disease which predominantly strikes heterosexuals. Does this mean that heterosexuals are now more promiscuous than homosexuals?

Actually, it's that the disease is much easier to catch from semen than it is from vaginal fluid. So no, the percentage wouldn't have been equitable.

At that time, in that specific culture, yeah. Probably. And this speaks to the nature of homosexuals how?

You know, Steve... I'm not a stud horse by any means. In my life, I've had sex with less than a dozen women... hardly the Wilt Chamberlain of the Chicago scene.

Of course, each of those women has had sex with about the same number of guys. And it's safe to assume that each of their partners had about the same number.

What's the old line? Six degrees of seperation between everyone on the planet? And we've all had sex with roughly twice that number?

The idea that it takes rampant promiscuity to spread STDs is another foolish and dangerous idea. All it takes is sex without protection. It doesn't discriminate based on sexuality or promiscuity.

This is all just more urban myth bullshit, except that it's intentionally being used for inducing hatred and fear. How many examples are there of men intentionally giving AIDS to other men? Prosecute them as criminals and leave the other poor fucks who have the disease alone (as if life doesn't suck enough). Who's going to tattoo these guys with all that infected blood involved? Porta?

You must not read your own posts.

Sean, aside from taking the formal step of criminalising the act, which it may already be, i'm not certain there's much more society can do than educate, as you have advocated and i second. If it is a criminal act, i would think that a media push bringing attention to the (hopefully) severe penalty if convicted would serve as a moderate deterant. There are things that i think the gay community could do to spread warnings about particular individuals though. Via either web sites or gay bars they could easily post names and photos of known offenders. I'm certain they already use the testing and certified "clean" type programs which allow people to show identification that assures a potential partner that they have been medically cleared. A little intrusive and certainly not going to put one "in the mood", but considering the consequences, perhaps a small price to pay.


Dan, i really don't feel i've been homophobic or even vindictive toward homosexuals in this thread. I beleive there is a problem within the homosexual community concerning rampant, unprotected sex ( i called it promiscuity). Judging by your replies you do not feel there exists any such of a problem. I beleive that the sheer percentage of gay men currently carrying the HIV virus supports my position. i can only speculate that you beleive either there is not a big problem with HIV within the gay commnity, or you do not think promiscuity is at fault. In the end it really amounts to a hill of beans what you or i beleive, think, espouse or promote, but i suppose it does make the day go by faster coming on here and going tit for tat as though it did. Here's hoping your absolutly right and Aids/HIV epedimic that grips the gay community just disappears of its own volition. As terrible a person as you would have me be and as dastardly a homophobe as you think me, i do not desire homosexuals die the horrid death that Aids is. Sorry to dissapoint.

Steve

So are heterosexual college guys; or are all those stories about frat parties and date rape so much hoohah? Maybe it's not a question of sexual orientation but of age and marital status?

Oh, you mean the way heterosexual men once spread syphilis around willy-nilly, including to their trusting wives, thanks to society's turning a blind eye to (especially upper-class) male philandering?

Ever stop to think that gays were forced into a particular lifestyle because society refused (and continues to refuse) them the benefits of a more "normal" one?

Your true attitude toward homosexuals, despite your vaunted Christianity's lessons to love the sinner and hate the sinner, is evident by the words you use to refer to them.

That said, since "fudgepackers" are currently forbidden by law to marry those they love...and since you support that ban wholeheartedly to the point of wanting to enshrine it in the Constitution...aren't you merely condemning them to a sinful, promiscuous life?

"There is a problem within the homosexual community concerning rampant, unprotected sex" is a very, very far cry from "homosexuals are promiscious, by nature".

You also clearly have an idea that gay people are somehow above and beyond straight people in terms of rampant, unprotected sex. You have supported this with nothing but your own preconceived notions about gay people.

So we can assume you're not going to actually provide these percentages. Well then, allow me.

47% of all HIV carriers are women. Presumably, these women did not catch HIV from gay men. How does this match up to your "sheer percentages" of gay men that carry HIV?

That's because, as usual, you don't seem to want to look directly at what I'm saying.

AIDS hits everyone. It does not matter if you are gay or straight. It does not matter if you have sex with everyone you meet, or very few people. You are still at risk for AIDS.

To promote the idea that gay people or promiscuous people are the ones who catch and transmit AIDS is both irresponsible, and untrue. Everyone is at risk. That includes gay people. It includes straight people. It includes everyone.

The problem you refer to is not a specifically homosexual problem. It is a problem with the irresponsibility that comes with youth and lack of education on the subject. To paint it as a "problem within the gay community" as you have done is bullshit.

Steve.

Stop making up arguments and attributing them to me.

I said earlier in this thread that no one here wants gay people to die. So get down off your cross.

What I have done is point out when you say ridiculous things about gay people. Which is quite often. Whether it's this business here about gay people being promiscuous by nature, or your bizarre rant about bull dykes and mamby-pamby foo-foo boys (or whatever it was) in the last homosexuality thread.

Stats:

Total number of AIDS deaths between 1981 and the end of 2003: 20 million.

Number of children orphaned by AIDS living in Sub-Saharan Africa at the end of 2003: 12 million.


By December 2004 women accounted for 47% of all people living with HIV worldwide, and for 57% in sub-Saharan Africa.

In 2003, young people (15-24 years old) accounted for half of all new HIV infections worldwide, more than 6,000 became infected with HIV every day.

This all whittles down the gay-basher's conjecture to about 20%--VASTLY more heteros have died of AIDS than Gays, with the 60% margin going to Blacks in Africa.

Mea culpa.

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