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#425315 - 05/02/05 06:22 AM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
Michael Hunt Offline
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Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 199
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Originally posted by Brian Bell:
Porta, you need to quit reading and listening to so much hate radio and hate literature. They've really got you brainwashed.
Having been washed in the blood of Catalino, my suspicion is Porta only acts this way because of the reaction he keeps getting.

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#425316 - 05/02/05 02:45 PM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
geedis Offline
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Registered: 11/28/00
Posts: 13263
Loc: AZ
WOW.
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#425317 - 05/02/05 05:30 PM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
David Porta Offline
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 4823
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Wrt China: It is wrong for any nation, or business, or individual to truck with that slave state. It should be ostracized because of its human rights abuses.

I discussed this with Harold Buccholz a few years ago. He was offering economical printing for indie comics creators. How? He contracts it to China. I maintain that this supports a slave system of human rights abuse. He had concerns about that, but also hoped that contributing to Chinese economic growth might lead to more liberty for the Chinese, concommitant to rising prosperity. I suspect that all it does is encourage the slave masters.

Meanwhile, Chinese continue to depart the Commie Party.

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#425318 - 05/11/05 02:34 AM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
Travis T. Offline
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Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 6
Hey David, you do know that china has been pay our debts for years? They pretty much own us.

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#425319 - 05/11/05 02:47 AM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
Cisco Bunny Offline
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Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2280
Loc: New York City
Quote:
Originally posted by David Porta:
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Wrt China: It is wrong for any nation, or business, or individual to truck with that slave state. It should be ostracized because of its human rights abuses.

I discussed this with Harold Buccholz a few years ago. He was offering economical printing for indie comics creators. How? He contracts it to China. I maintain that this supports a slave system of human rights abuse. He had concerns about that, but also hoped that contributing to Chinese economic growth might lead to more liberty for the Chinese, concommitant to rising prosperity. I suspect that all it does is encourage the slave masters.

Meanwhile, Chinese continue to depart the Commie Party.

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Considering your pro-Wal Mart diatribes, this is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy. Dude, you once said it was un-American NOT to shop at Wal-Mart (70% of Wal-Mart's products have one or more components made in China).

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#425320 - 05/11/05 08:12 AM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
David Porta Offline
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 4823
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Originally posted by Cisco Bunny:
Considering your pro-Wal Mart diatribes, this is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy.
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Will Target do?

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A Neophyte in the China Shop

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I put the sunglasses back on. Like a Seventies-era mother, hesitating over an open vial of tranquilizers, I wonder: Is this really a good idea? What is a thrifty, patriotic consumer to do? Should I avoid buying Chinese products so as to help reduce the U.S.-China trade deficit and reduce the chance that eventually they will shoot at us with weaponry purchased with our own dollars? Or is it preferable to buy Chinese products, trust in the benefits of competition, and hope that the brutality of communism is like every other problem, and will improve if you rub enough money into it? Should the modern American woman have an opinion on the yuan, the jiao, and the tiniest of fens?

"Darling," says my husband, as I am unburdening my conscience that evening, after another splurge, "you do know that any measly spending we do will not make the slightest difference either to the deficit or the dollar?"

"I know," I concede, "and I am, in principle, a proponent of free trade. But it is also true that as I have just finished reading Uncle Tom's Cabin, I am especially alert to the moral dimensions of my purchasing decisions. Plus, I don't want to help pay for the helicopters that will someday strafe our cities."

He grins. "Why don't you ask X?" he says, mentioning the name of a Senior Government Official who's a pal of ours and a specialist in such matters.

The Senior Government Official is immensely reassuring. "The People's Liberation Army is largely out of the consumer export business," he says. "So China's military machine is not benefiting from your purchase of sneakers and napkin rings from Target to the degree you might think. The machine is benefiting from the overall development of China's economy, but at the same time, China's interests in employing that machine in ways that counter U.S. interests are increasing at a more rapid rate than the military is expanding."

I don't know about you, but I find that a relief. He goes on: "The vast majority of goods produced for sale here are done so with foreign direct investment, so China's trade with the United States is truly benefiting the growing middle class in China and the investor class in the U.S. Those $10.99 sneakers are contributing to someone's freedom and your husband's retirement fund," he says: "Shop to your heart's content!" I imagine saying this to my husband.

Yet I am still uneasy. "But what about American producers?"

"It is better to buy American if you can," says the S.G.O., his voice taking on a hint of the old cod liver oil, "But frankly it would be best to save your money. The deficit, as you know, is partly a function of our low savings rate and domestic economic strength. You could keep wearing your old sneakers, bank the $10.99, thus increasing the funds available to invest in this country and... reduce our deficit with China! Ta-da!"

I hang up on the friendly S.G.O. with new resolve. I have to return a couple of impulse buys to Target (which is good) yet have stimulated the economy by keeping most of the items I bought (also good) and if I leave immediately, I can keep from spending more (very good). Right?

An hour later, I am walking down the gleaming aisle, my heart pounding, my morality once again swept away like a trans-Pacific cargo ship in a storm. And as I pause to pick up some inviting object, through my mind runs the refrain: "Stop me before I kill again..."

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#425321 - 06/07/05 10:09 PM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
David Porta Offline
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#425322 - 06/08/05 02:40 AM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
Cisco Bunny Offline
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Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2280
Loc: New York City
Well I tell you one thing China will never crackdown on - WAL-MART FACTORIES!

Still proud to shop there, Porta? Or are you still wallowing in hypocrisy.

Porta will not answer this question.

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#425323 - 06/08/05 10:49 AM Re: Over 1,146,754, no, 1,167,396, no, 1,190,032 People Quit the Chinese Communist Party
eldritch11 Offline
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Registered: 09/07/02
Posts: 758
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Quote:
Originally posted by David Porta:
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Wrt China: It is wrong for any nation, or business, or individual to truck with that slave state. It should be ostracized because of its human rights abuses.

I discussed this with Harold Buccholz a few years ago. He was offering economical printing for indie comics creators. How? He contracts it to China. I maintain that this supports a slave system of human rights abuse. He had concerns about that, but also hoped that contributing to Chinese economic growth might lead to more liberty for the Chinese, concommitant to rising prosperity. I suspect that all it does is encourage the slave masters.

Meanwhile, Chinese continue to depart the Commie Party.

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Who profits by economic growth? The Chinese Government, NOT the people. It's very much like your republican slave-masters want for the U.S.--totalitarianism. True liberalism and libertarianism isn't socialistic or communistic, it's anti-slavery, anti-'groupthink' and pro-individual human rights. We live in a country founded by the 'Leftist' kind of people you are calling communists, and your lack of capacity to grasp any nuance of ANYTHING and generalize EVERYTHING is up to your standard.

One of the first things Hitler did was label all of the German liberal intelligensia red communists, so you're in the 'right' company. You rigidly value the state over the individual, Porta, and that makes you as anti-American as any Red Book-Carrying Commie Dupe.

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