I could be wrong, but I don't think X is a Christian. (?)

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My mistake, I guess?

The followers of the schizophrenic god certainly have no monopoly on mean ignorance, which crosses all orthodoxy--they just seem to have the largest share of it, and are ruled over and endoctrinated by rabid, greedy and corrupt sociopaths.

I'm cool with religious people like America's Founding Fathers who gave us what we have and the potential for further progress. Since people in the US have equal rights, your statement doesn't make any sense (unless you're one of those who cries about not having access to someone else's Social Security, death benefits, etc.).

In the meantime, could you actually answer the question I asked about the death penalty for possession of a Bible? Could you actually answer the question I asked about state television proclaiming that the stones and the trees want the Jews to be finished off? And this time, don't make your answer about "the fundamentalists here" on comicon. Actually confine the subject of your response to extremist Muslims in the Middle East, who actively commit atrocities even as late as the end of May 2005.

Because, again, you sound pretty cool with the death penalty for possessing a Bible. I'm guessing that, were such a law adopted in the United States, you wouldn't be convicted. I'm not even sure you'd object to such a law being adopted in the United States.

Do you think the Jews should pay? Do you think the Jews are "treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history"? Do you support a state television network that proclaims "The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews"?

Don't bitch about religious Christians in America, answer the questions about these religious divisions that predate 1776.

For a change.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAAAA!

That's a good one, Dumas.

Yeah, ChrisW, religious, like Jefferson--an open Deist/agnostic...interesting he had a whole party behind him, who won the presidency often. Did you know he once did an edit of the 'Christ parts" of the new testament, where he left out Jesus' miracles?

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/

Who's advocating the death penalty for possession of a Bible? I haven't seen that. That's what the SS did, after the National Socialists ran on a Protestant, 'family values', anti-immigrant platform. I'd be willing to hazard a guess that Der Amerikanisches UberChristlicher Theokratisch Reich will likely ban any books that don't correspond to their hateful, rigid, benighted philosophy, and anyone in possession of them as witches--like the good old days, before the enlightenment. Hate or not, no book should ever be banned.

I don't think I have said what my affiliation is or was (that is my own personal crisis of faith), I just don't presume to tell Christians if they are Real or not. I might ask them about a point of faith but it is just that, presumptuous, to call some one a hypocrite first over something you by definition don't fully understand.

In the same way that I don't tell Muslims if they are real Muslims if they think one way or the other about terrorism in the name of god.

My personal judgement on Muslims begins and ends on their conduct and lack there of. Christians are not being held to that standard but upon suspicions and hypotheticals.

Show me the evidence that Christians are persecuting people, violating human rights in the name of their faith and dictating how people live.

I was raised in the benightedly stupid fundamentalism until I outgrew it mentally when I was 15, and went looking for real answers--I think I'm just as likely as you are to understand it, maybe even more, Mr. Vague. You're either a good, aware person, or a mindless slave, and that has been my whole point--that you missed.

Thanks, ChrisW for citing an example of Reece in action from that other thread. That was exactly the sort of thing I was talking about. Instead of staying on topic, he brought a bunch of irrelevant, anti-Christian stuff into the conversation like this:

Instead of, you know, investing as much energy as he routinely does in accusing the religious right of stuff in talking about the honest-to-goodness real atrocities going on throughout the Muslim world... he went off on a tangent about some of the Christians who post here (conveniently without naming names so if anybody objects, he can say words to the effect of "Hey, I wasn't talking about you. You're way too insensitive. Sheesh.") and posted another of his numerous comments about the Christian right's alleged fascist tendencies.

Sure, when confronted he'll occasionally contradict his usual stance on things and accuse the other person of overreacting. But if he doesn't really believe these things, why has he been saying them since at least 2003?

Eldritch11: You asked about the death penalty for owning a Bible. That has been known to happen in Arab countries.

It came up because we were talking about Arab countries.

Or at least we were, before Reece started trying to steer the conversation toward anti-Christian fundamentalist stuff similar to your last post.

I'm German-American, I'm a protestant, but I'm not a Nazi. I understand some of your bitterness and reasons for believing the way you do from comments on other threads, but dude... you sound just like Cisco Bunny.

Well--if some Arabian nationals crash into the world trade center, and if a few people have been executed for having bibles in arab countries, we should put 100,000+ iraqi arabs (in a different country) to death, I guess, and wrongfully imprison 1000s more with islamic-sounding names--oh wait--we did that. Preemptive defense is offense.

Again, speaking in metaphor bites me in the ass--I've nothing against German Americans, protestants, gray aliens, televangelists, or even crypto-nazis as long as I don't have to live under their oppressive rule--I'm an American--which I believe used to be defined as someone who thinks that everyone should have the same rights under just law whether it's in the bible or not (a book in which slavery is permitted with a 'how to' pamphlet), and that human dignity, liberty and free will are intrinsic (G-d-given), and are both a right and a responsibility. It's a shame so many give them away so freely, and as long as so-called 'Christian' fundamentalism and big arms/big business are circle-jerking to 'God Bless America', and wanting to metaphorically put cameras into everyone's bedrooms, while actively trying to limit human rights and dignity for anyone but 'right-thinkin' Amurkins', I'll have issues with them, and will indulge in merciless heckling.

As far as suggesting I sound like a Cisco--THANKS!!! Beats a Porta, Xheight or quite a few here, and I often agree with him, although I'm more of a 19th century-style progressive libertarian.

And here I thought that you were just your average run of the mill cunt.