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#457216 - 12/28/00 04:14 PM Moore/Marvel International
Pat ONeill Offline
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Alan Moore, up until now unaware that the deal was in the works, told the SPLASH that he would not finish his runs on the AWESOME books, such as SUPREME and YOUNGBLOOD, who's storylines were left dangling when the company collapsed in 1998. Moore told the SPLASH that, "I consider it a hostile act that precludes me working for Awesome again, or with Marvel ever in the future. If this is the only way they can get me, they are welcome to the scraps." Despite recent well publicized attempts by Marvel EIC Joe Quesada to recruit Moore, the British writer has long resisted working for Marvel due to the threat of lawsuit by the company, forcing him to change the name of his MARVELMAN character to MIRACLEMAN in 1987. Developing.


Perhaps someone should tell Moore--and possibly you, too, Rick--that Marvel International is not a subsidiary of Marvel Enterprises, but is a completely separate company licensed to reprint Marvel (and other publishers') material in Europe?

(It was a part of the now-bankrupt and defunct Marvel Entertainment, created when the Italian Pannini company was acquired by the Perelman-controlled company back in the early '90s. But it was sold off during the bankruptcy of said Marvel Entertainment and was not part of the various entities that joined to become Marvel Enterprises at the conclusion of that bankruptcy.)

Hence, selling reprint rights to Marvel International is no different than selling them to any other European comics publisher that is not related to Marvel US.
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#457217 - 12/28/00 06:20 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Rich Johnston agrees with Pat ONeill shocker:

Marvel Italia is Panini. It's all in a name. Just double checked with Joe Q and the companies are completely separate. someone should tell Alan... I'd call him but I have this strange fear of Porlocking him. Anyone closer care to pass the message on?
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#457218 - 12/28/00 08:20 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Originally posted by Rich Johnston:
Marvel Italia is Panini. It's all in a name. Just double checked with Joe Q and the companies are completely separate. someone should tell Alan... I'd call him but I have this strange fear of Porlocking him. Anyone closer care to pass the message on?


Do you really think it would make a difference?

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#457219 - 12/28/00 08:32 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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I'll let him know. I just got an e-mail from Mike Doran and Rob Leifeld says he wasn't in the loop either; that this deal was part of a foreign rights package that went out two years ago.

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#457220 - 12/29/00 08:21 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Dear everybody:

My name is Xavier Marturet, EIC of the spanish site www.dreamers.com

Yesterday, december 28th, we were celebrating the "Dia de los Inocentes" day, our version of April Fool's day.
So we decided to put some jokes at our site.

One of this jokes is the origin of all this noise about Marvel International, Awesome Comics and Dude Comics (BTW: an independent house that is shipping the spanish editions of Bone and Strangers in Paradise).

It's strange that nobody asked about it before to send that "new" around the globe.

Since today, dec 29th, first in the morning, this new includes the following PS: "Esta rese~a es una inocentada de Dreamers para el Día de los Inocentes. Una palmadita en la espalda a todos los que han caído como primos en la trampa. XXDDDDDDDDDD" Translation, more or less: "This review is a joke from Dreamers celebrating the Dia de los Inocentes. A big huge for all those who falled in our trap."

Best Regards,

Xavier Marturet

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#457221 - 12/29/00 08:42 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Hilariously funny joke there, Xavier.
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#457222 - 12/29/00 09:02 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Marvel International is a completely separate company licensed to reprint Marvel (US) material. Yes, but:
a) It sure doesn't want to show it (take a look at Marvel Europe's presentation page at www.marveleurope.com);
b) Was it a completely separate company when it started negotiating this deal?

I also wanted to add two things:
- The correct name of Marvel International's president is Marco Lupoi, not Luppi (my mistake);
- Marvel Europe's anoucement mentions The Coven, Youngblood, Supreme and "another series related to actor Will Smith".

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#457223 - 12/29/00 09:35 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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After sending that last post, I read Xavi's post.
Why don't the spanish celebrate on April first, like everybody else?
Funny or not, the story made a lot of travelling in Europe too. When it arrived to me, I believed it because Dude Comics has the spanish rights for Supreme. And I did then read the Dreamers article, thinking it was the confirmation I needed!
The joke's on me?

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#457224 - 12/29/00 10:35 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Well, I think the joke was quite funny. My congratulations to Xavier and his crew: the reactions of all the people involved (Moore, Liefeld, and Quesada) made this joke funnier than any of the fake news that you usually see in April 1st.

And while I enjoy the excellent work done on a regular basis by the Splash and Newsarama, I think it's worth noting that this wouldn't have happened if someone had decided to check whether the deal had taken place. I mean, guys, you didn't even acknowledge that the story was lifted from www.dreamers.com ! Let's hope you've learned a lesson from all this. [img]/resources/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Rodrigo


[This message has been edited by Rodrigo Baeza (edited 12-29-2000).]

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#457225 - 12/29/00 11:40 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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thanks for understanding.
As you can see, we combines humor, information and everything related to comic-books.
For ex. If you wanna see how funny can dreamers people be, take a look at our Rob Liefeld fans site: http://adlo.dreamers.com

C'U

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#457226 - 12/29/00 11:46 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Rodrigo,
Although I'm the guy that slipped on the banana peel, since the SPLASH broke the "story" in the US and got everyone in an uproar, I have to admit its a pretty good joke too. News sites in the USA are always on alert around April 1st for hoax stories, but I have to admit my guard was down in late December. I've got a headline story up on the SPLASH right now, saying how we fell for it and apologizing to all.

Couple of points: From my own perspective, I broke one of my personal rules in running with this story, since up to now I've avoided reporting on events that I was involved in (I collaborated with Alan on the retro sequences in SUPREME). Without question, I let my freelancer emotions cloud my better judgement on this one. Won't let it happen again.

Second: this has revealed some of the pitfalls of working with correspondents within the context of the SPLASH's shoestring operation. Basicly, everyone contributing to the SPLASH; myself, Charles Brownstein and Pedro Mota, do so without any payment, motivated more by a shared vision of global comics culture that goes beyond who's editing the latest issue of X-MEN (since a lot of sites and magazines are covering that part of comics beautifully). We don't have the resources to really provide the quality and depth of journalism we'd like to and often rely on existing news reports and published announcements to piece together what's going on behind the scenes, tempered by our own sense of who's really running the show and currents that we see running through the river of comics culture and business. So we are vulnerable to this kind of fuck up, and its really kind of miraculous that its taken almost two years to happen!

I plan to huddle with Pedro and Charles and come up with strategies that will allow us to continue benefiting from far flung correspondents, while ensuring that the t's are crossed and the i's dotted.

Apologies to all who got caught in this hoax with us. Rob, Joe, Alan, sorry to cause you you grief in the last couple days. And to the SPLASH readers, who depend on good information, we will strive to make sure this doesn't happen again.

To Xavier: congrats on a succesful hoax!

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#457227 - 12/29/00 12:26 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Dear Rick.
As we also in dreamers.com know how this news use to happen, please feel free to write us about any doubt you or the people at comicon.com may have in the future about spanish comic-books, authors, spanish publishers, etc, we'll be very happy to help in whatever may happen.

Nacho Carmona, director, dreamers.com
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#457228 - 12/29/00 02:51 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Now that THAT's cleared up:

Hey Xavier, what's the deal with that Bigfoot guy?

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#457229 - 12/29/00 08:55 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Originally posted by Rick Veitch:
Rodrigo,

To Xavier: congrats on a succesful hoax!



Your wellcome.
As Nacho Carmona told you, feel free to contact us at dreamers in order to help you to mend or clarify whatever to whoever.

Best regards & happy new Millenium!!!


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#457230 - 12/29/00 09:02 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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We are in the new one, and that ain't no hoax! The hoax in all of those who believe that the distance between 1 and -1 is 1!

It is all immaterial, because no one really knows what year it is any way! Great thing, arbitrary judgements!
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#457231 - 12/30/00 06:43 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Is Marvel is really serious about getting Moore "back?" (I don't think he ever did anything for American Marvel, aside from a few pages of HEROES FOR HOPE that he refused to be paid for. All his past work was for Marvel UK, under an editor named Bernie Jay whom Moore quite liked, but she too reportedly got dumped by the company in one of their intermittent clashes with employees. Which didn't exactly endear either branch of Marvel to Moore.)

If so, then Marvel presumably knows what to do...starting with withdrawing all legal objections to Moore's using the name Marvelman, at least on the inside of a book. (He said at least once that he'd have been happy to keep the name off the cover, as DC did with Captain Marvel...but Marvel turned him down, which Moore could only explain by the fact that DC/Time Warner could afford to keep good lawyers on staff and Moore and Dez Skinn couldn't.) If Quesada could arrange that, Moore just might be willing to talk. Has he?



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#457232 - 12/30/00 10:38 PM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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Moore also wrote a story that first appeared in Epic Illustrated.

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#457233 - 12/31/00 12:29 AM Re: Moore/Marvel International
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... and that Rick Veitch drew (with embellishments on the flowering human of the climax by yours truly, who had dropped by the expansive Veitch studio for a visit that day and was promptly put to work!).

Man, this whole thing was hilarious. April Fool, Happy New Year, and all that...

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