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#461728 - 04/05/01 07:22 AM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
Steve Lieber Offline
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Only to the 35 or 40 people that actually read the list


The readership had to be higher than 35 or 40. As I understand it, that's how many death threats they received.



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#461729 - 04/05/01 08:29 AM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
Aaron White Offline
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Actually, more people read the list than have ever taken notice of any aspect of Red Tall's existence. It was hotly debated on cartoonist websites that don't usually take note of the Journal, and was one of the Journal's most controversial ishs ever. Largely due to the major oversights of

1. No Cerebus,

2. Treating the entire Barks run on Donald Duck as one single entry, the entire Kirby/Lee FF run as a single entry, and every single panel or convention sketch by Los Bros. as a seperate work.

That aside, the issue's a great read.

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#461730 - 04/05/01 08:58 AM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
gene phillips Offline
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Kim: I agree we should agree to disagree.

Just to air my own opinion of Cho's work: yes, I've read lame jokes in LIBERTY MEADOWS. But, by Anubis' doggy-toys, since the demise of CALVIN & HOBBES how many humor strips out there DON'T have a staggering degree of lame-itude? Maybe nostalgia clouds my mind as to how funny the old strips of my youth were-- I do remember hating one called FREDDY, though-- but it's a labor even to read the so-called "humor" strips today. Even FUNKY WINKERBEAN, which used to be good for a light laugh, has turned into a dreary cry-in-your-beer melodrama. The main difference between Cho and most of these poseurs is that when Cho offers a lame joke he's at least self-mocking when he does so, sort of like Johnny Carson in his heyday.

And though I've seen him depend a bit too much on pop-culture references, every once in a while he does a brilliant one, so I'll gladly suffer through multitudinous quotes of "Star Wars" or "Dune" to get one bit like Billy of FAMILY CIRCUS saying, "I SEE DEAD PEOPLE--" (OK, maybe you had to be there--)





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#461731 - 04/05/01 09:38 AM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
Chris Ekman Offline
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I disagree that anybody should agree to agree to disagree, and I'm prepared to argue it until I'm blue in the face.

(Wait a minute- I'm in Massachusetts, and with this weather I'm already blue in the face. Disregard.)

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#461732 - 04/05/01 10:20 AM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
gene phillips Offline
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One other point: I didn't criticize the Top 100 list itself-- though like others I had my agreements and disagreements with it-- just its being put together with input from Mssrs. Groth and Thompson. Period.

As for other lists, though, I did see R. Fiore put together a creditable "top 100" for BUYERS' GUIDE, which might be closer to my ideal list than the JOURNAL's. I have the issue someplace, and will look up the no. if anyone wants to know, but other than ordering the issue I don't know how one could see Fiore's list, as I don't imagine it got put on the Internet anywhere.

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#461733 - 04/05/01 10:31 AM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
jack Offline
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Aaron, you are entitled to your opinion, but TCJ is not widely read by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not saying this in the sense I'm saying it has no worth, but it is what it is.

Those that read it have very strong opinions on it. I'm one of those people that read it, but I have no opinions on it one way or the other, I use it as an alternative "guide" to keep up on what's coming out, because despite it being a shill for it's own books and DESPITE the pervasiveness of the porn that supports it (which is not an objection, just an observation) it's a decent resource for what's being published in the indy market, so it has some value.

As far as the interviews, I like them somewhat I guess, they certainlyhave cured my insomnia.

I consider TCJ like Playboy or Perfect 10. I buy it for the pretty pictures not the articles.

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#461734 - 04/05/01 11:06 AM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
Dave Miller Offline
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Anyone who thinks FUNKY WINKERBEAN has turned to crap is nothing but an elitist.
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#461735 - 04/05/01 12:00 PM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
Kim Thompson Offline
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I'm not sure that someone who can't keep R. Fiore and R.C. Harvey (!) straight has much business expatiating upon comics criticism, Gene.

I remember Harvey's CBG Top 100 as being pretty idiosyncratic and goofy, with a near-complete disregard for modern alternative comics and a disproportionate love for some very minor syndicated strips -- which is fine, a one-man's-opinion Top 100 should be idiosyncratic. Mine would be.

I've seen the JOURNAL's Top 100 list referred to in a few media outlets since then, and I think I remember Powell's Bookstore in Portland had it pasted up in their comics section for a while. I expect that at some point we'll tweak it and convert it into a book, which can be used for reference (and to enrage people) for decades to come.

Although ultimately, the "ha-ha, no one reads your lousy magazine so who cares?" jibes are pretty amusing coming from anyone in an industry for whom a rock-em-sock-em best-seller is 100,000 copies. Pound for pound, in the context of the general (meager) readership of comics, THE COMICS JOURNAL may be more widely read than most other magazines of arts news & criticism within their respective fields.

If sales success is your measure, you're living in a WIZARD world anyway and you're welcome to it.

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#461736 - 04/05/01 01:28 PM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
gene phillips Offline
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Hmm, dunno why I confused Harvey with Fiore, except that they both start off their names with an "R," but be assured that it was just a hurried mistyping, and that I know the difference between them, enough so that I herewith apologize to Harvey, wherever he may be, for confusing him with Fiore. Take that as you please.

If WIZARD's average sales exceed those of the JOURNAL, then would it would not qualify as being even "more widely read" in the comics market than the JOURNAL is? OK, you might have count "looking at da pretty pictures" as "reading," but still...

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#461737 - 04/05/01 02:19 PM Re: Frank Cho Agonistes: Print Post Drops Liberty Meadows
Kim Thompson Offline
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Originally posted by gene phillips:
If WIZARD's average sales exceed those of the JOURNAL, then would it would not qualify as being even "more widely read" in the comics market than the JOURNAL is?


I'll give you this one if you can assert that WIZARD is a "magazine of arts news & criticism" with a straight face.

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