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#462879 - 04/12/01 11:57 PM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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#462880 - 04/13/01 04:25 AM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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I hear there are romance graphic novels being produced for American publishers


You mean, like this?

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#462881 - 04/13/01 10:46 AM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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Originally posted by Slush:
Hey Colleen,

Are you the creator that makes frequent stops in Charlottesville? I'm trying to remember if you are the one who visited my local comic store not that long ago.

-Brian Jacks
Slushfactory.com


I don't know if that's ME, but I will be at the Comic Game and Hobby Shop in Charlottesville, VA on June 24. Sarla Speed McNeil and Jen Sorenson will also be there. It's my book's birthday. Maybe I'll bring a cake!

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#462882 - 04/13/01 10:48 AM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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Originally posted by Aaron White:
Paging Eros editors, paging Eros editors...


They haven't produced anything that appeals to me, but you never know...

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#462883 - 04/13/01 10:59 AM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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Originally posted by Walt Stone:
You mean, like this?

Walt Stone


WALT! How can you tease me with this! Tell me more!

This is amazing. I had heard about these years ago but have never been able to get any concrete info. I think, at one point, Harlequin and Marvel were doing something along these lines. My shaky memory tells me that Mary Wilshire was hired to do some GN's for young girls in a Harlequin/Marvel package. I don't know if it ever went anywhere, but I did see the art.

I also remember being asked to show some samples for a series of books based on Sweet Valley High that Marvel was going to do. In true old boy network fashion, my samples were rejected in favor of a completely inappropriate superhero artist's work. Naturally, the licensor wasn't pleased and the project was ditched. I can't think of anyone more appropriate to draw Sweet Valley High than me, though some executive did, but he's fired now, so no hard feelings.

Can't you just see the cast of Sweet Valley High, faces locked in a grimace, fists clenched, legs spread to maximum length to show the character's trauma at not getting asked to the dance? Yeah, that would've been great.

colleen

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#462884 - 04/13/01 01:51 PM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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Colleen, I had a similar experience doing an adult comic that was recently released in a special package with the video that it parallels. (I did it pseudonymously, and I'm not telling you what it is.)

I had drawn it all the way thru in pencil trying to be as tasteful and "erotica" (as opposed to "porno") about it as I could. The pencils were approved, and I inked the whole thing. I submitted the inks... and then got a note back requesting a massive series of changes basically involving making it as "porno" as possible, removing any pretense at subtlety, to my dismay.

I wound up having to redo about half of the 48 pages. Fortunately I did all the work digitally, so it was relatively simple to cut the pages up and add/subtract material. However, I had to do it in a hurry so the overall art quality of the book suffered. At least I got to bill it as "author alterations," which was built into the contract -- extra cash on top of the agreed fees.

I won't say it's the last such work I'll ever do (the money's too good!), but at least next time I'll know what to expect... [img]/resources/ubb/smile.gif[/img] At least I have no kids around, and my Mom is 3000 miles away! [img]/resources/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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#462885 - 04/13/01 02:37 PM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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Originally posted by Jeff Zugale:
Colleen, I had a similar experience doing an adult comic that was recently released in a special package with the video that it parallels. (I did it pseudonymously, and I'm not telling you what it is.)

I had drawn it all the way thru in pencil trying to be as tasteful and "erotica" (as opposed to "porno") about it as I could. The pencils were approved, and I inked the whole thing. I submitted the inks... and then got a note back requesting a massive series of changes basically involving making it as "porno" as possible, removing any pretense at subtlety, to my dismay.

At least I have no kids around, and my Mom is 3000 miles away! [img]/resources/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]



It is a puzzlement to me why some people find closeups of every body function to be endlessly fascinating, but what can you do? I just won't draw stuff like that. I remember seeing an old silent film that was supposed to be very naughty and involved Victorian ladies running around naked in the forest while a ranger spied on them. They relieved themselves and frolicked about and it must have been pretty hot stuff in 1918, but I found it hilarious and stupid. Some anonymous actors had dubbed in hilarious dialogue, making it one of the funniest movies I'd ever seen, but what some people find sexy is endlessly mystifying to me.

I don't have any problem with other people doing naughty pictures, and some erotica is perfectly okay, but a steady diet of it is of no interest to me. Most of it is about as sexy as a brick as far as I'm concerned.

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#462886 - 04/13/01 02:40 PM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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Acutally, I think one of the sexiest things I've ever seen in a comic book was drawn by Frank Miller in an issue of Ronin (the scene where the Ronin seduces the woman just by running his hand along her arm!) Now THAT was pretty hot stuff. Very tasteful, gracefully drawn.

I remember thinking a guy who can draw a scene like that must be the kind of guy who knows what women like. Lynn Varley is a lucky woman.

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#462887 - 04/13/01 06:03 PM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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I also remember being asked to show some samples for a series of books based on Sweet Valley High that Marvel was going to do. In true old boy network fashion, my samples were rejected in favor of a completely inappropriate superhero artist's work. Naturally, the licensor wasn't pleased and the project was ditched. I can't think of anyone more appropriate to draw Sweet Valley High than me, though some executive did, but he's fired now, so no hard feelings.


I'm not the only guy that respects how hard it is to portray romantic love in such as way as to appeal to women( the major buyers of most things romantic), but I think I'm the only guy that thinks that romance comics OUGHT to be a part of the N.American comic book diet and that it CAN work. The major market for these is not a traditional comic book stomping ground... It might just take some publisher that has proven it can sell to women.

As to how I got the books, my wife's editor at Harlequin provided them to me this last weekend in San Antonio. As luck would have it, the editor is championing them, trying to get them published here. (The powers that be have previously decided to put the N.American publishing of these on hold, and nobody has raised the flag on getting the issue put back on the front burner again.) To that end, my wife's editor is having these translated BACK from the Japanese to English, rather than trying to reinvent the dialogue from the original text. I'm told the dialogue is fairly faithful to the original... I looked up the ISBN just in case someone wanted to do a little research in their local used book store.

I don't think any other foreign market has these particular books yet. If they were any, say Italian Harlequin books done as an experiment, nobody knows about them. (I had heard separately that they did exist, so I'm officially confused on the publishing of Harl comics outside Japan.)

I don't know, but I do suspect, that there are only so many slots available in the N.American stores, and maybe these would push off others Harlequins... or that the books wouldn't physically fit into the slots allocated for books of the same nature. I'm not quite sure. Harlequin is notoriously conservative about what they'll print in the way of new lines of books. They're launching a new line this summer (Blaze - which will contain a LOT of sex) and the Red Dress Ink (it's Ink and not Inc. [img]/resources/ubb/smile.gif[/img] ) which is the Bridget Jones Diary knockoff.

If you're interested in snagging a book, give me a buzz on the email.

w_stone@ev1.net

If anybody else needs more of those thumbnails in the larger size, I'll make some additional links work. As it stands, I only activated one image from a thumbnail per book.

Walt

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#462888 - 04/13/01 06:10 PM Re: A question for Colleen Doran
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Thanks for all the great info, Walt! This is terribly interesting! Nothing would make me happier than to see some US romance comics.

I would love to do some myself! I have been talking with a well known novelist about doing one someday. I hope it works out.

I would really love to see anything you could send me. I think there is a real solid potantial market out there for illustrated romance, both for adults, and for young girls. I'll bet if it was marketed outside comics and sent right on to bookstores as a brand new way to market romance, it would do well. I think it would do espeically well with teens.

I've been buying romance comics from Japan for years! I just didn't know there were works like these. This is very enlightening.


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