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#480606 - 12/17/01 09:02 PM Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Started reading the latest Wizard and there's a letter from Alessi challenging Jemas to join him in a panel at Megacon to debate their differing philosophies on retailing, compensation, and product delivery. Jemas had a funny response but it would make for an interesting debate.

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#480607 - 12/17/01 10:28 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Well, someone's gotta ask it:

What was Jemas' response?
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#480608 - 12/17/01 11:35 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Alessi promised to fly Jemas down to Florida at Alessi's expense, etc. Jemas wrote a letter to Wizard stating that ther were philosophical differences between his approach to basketball and Michael Jordan's approach and offered to fly Jordan down to New Jersey to play one on one with him, scheduling the game the weekend of Megacon: "Hope you can keep your calendar clear."

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#480609 - 12/18/01 10:11 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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That's funny and surprising. And here I figured the two would see eye to eye with a lot of stuff regarding collecting and speculating.



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#480610 - 12/18/01 10:15 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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What's funnier, is that someone is actually reading Wizard.
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#480611 - 12/20/01 10:10 AM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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I guess Jemas prefers the fanboy method of posting juvenile rants and putdowns rather than looking someone in the face where such antics would likely get his lights punched out and debating his views on their merits.

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#480612 - 12/20/01 01:51 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jamie Coville:
That's funny and surprising. And here I figured the two would see eye to eye with a lot of stuff regarding collecting and speculating.



It is funny. Juvenile and very unprofessional, but funny. WARNING: CHEAP SHOT AHEAD! I'm so glad we have a comedian running Marvel these days. The company's bee a joke for some time now.

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#480613 - 12/20/01 02:47 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Yeah, that sounds fair, "come debate me on my home turf during a convention that I run."

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#480614 - 12/27/01 02:19 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Originally posted by Elayne Riggs:
Yeah, that sounds fair, "come debate me on my home turf during a convention that I run."

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So there aren't any Marvel fans in Florida? Or is your point that Alessi will only allow CrossGen readers into Megacon? In any event, neither of these points would affect the merits of the debate. The fact that Alessi lives in Florida doesn't give him the kind of advantage that a sports team might have.

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#480615 - 12/27/01 02:42 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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"Yeah, that sounds fair, "come debate me on my home turf during a convention that I run."
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I seem to remember somebody offer someone else a debate several years ago and they were dusted.

It seems to be a bit of DC animosity reeking here as (correct me if I am wrong), CrossGen has picking up talent from DC.

As for the debate idea, I think Mark is on to something, but I think it is wasted on the poor man's Jerry Lewis at Marvel. Yep, I will eagerly wait those nine cent comic books!
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#480616 - 12/28/01 09:15 AM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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I live in tampa. I know folks who know Mr. Alessi, and I know folks who work at CrossGen. He's a decent guy, and he treats his talent well. He keeps them close, and he works them hard, but he doesn't abuse them, or take them for granted. He's taken the time to set up a very nice environment for his company. The fact that he's filthy rich makes some folks very jealous. I have to agree with the home turf comment as far as the "debate" goes. I wouldn't do it either. I'd want a level playing field, and Megacon is NOT that. It doesn't have anything to do with who's coming into the front doors either.
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#480617 - 12/28/01 09:31 AM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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It doesn't matter. The venue doesn't affect what comes out of the debaters mouths. Once again, the fact that Alessi's company is based in Florida does not give him an opinion advantage.

As far as the popularity advantage goes, I'm sure if the pair debated in New York Jemas would still get the short end of the popularity stick. There will still be plenty of people who like Marvel there and who see CrossGen's creative contracts as draconian.

I personally believe that Jemas would be battered on a number of topics, but what location his battering takes place at is irrelevant.

[oops, accidentally put Alessi's name in that last paragraph, when I meant to put Jemas]

[This message has been edited by Kimota (edited 12-30-2001).]

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#480618 - 12/28/01 10:52 AM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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I think sometimes when you see things like this in print or on the web, you have to take into consideration the reason.

When you see this person(s) name in print or on the web are they promoting the company they work for, characters that they publish, or are they promoting themselves?

In the last year I've found that when I see a particular name show up on a weekly or even daily basis it's usually that they are promoting themselves. Being a shameless self promoter myself I have a feel for this kinda' thing. Kinda' like it take a thief to catch a thief.

So...that's something to think about. There are places for business debates and discussions. In the old days we used to do it at the Distribution meetings (Capital, Diamond, Heroes World, Etc.) Since we don't really have shows on that level anymore I guess a new venue should be thought of. I don't think a consumer's convention is the place to do it. Too much side show effect there.

Let's face facts, this industry of our truly loves to put everything in a "Good vs. Evil" situation.

Just my thoughts.

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#480619 - 12/28/01 01:56 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Did Jordan accept? After scoring a career low last night with the Washington Wizards it might not be a bad gig.
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#480620 - 12/28/01 02:38 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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lol; I think Jordan is afraid of Jemas' hometown advantage.

I don't think Jemas would refuse to debate due to Megacon being in Orlando. He probably doesn't want to be involved in a debate on a fan-unfriendly issue. He seems more interested in unilateral quips. Also, if what Joe Q. said about Alessi violating their agreement on Waid, I'm not sure they are very trusting of Alessi. Who knows; it would make for an interesting discussion if it ever took place.

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#480621 - 12/28/01 03:15 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Can't say I care for most of Jemas's antics, but this was a hilarious response to an idiotic challenge.

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#480622 - 12/28/01 08:58 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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Jemas' response strikes me as being very possibly more along the "who in the hell cares/why bother?" kind of reasoning. What does he stand to gain of any real value from such a debate?

Is Alessi going to apologize and admit he was wrong about any point Jemas proves to the satisfaction of a neutral panel, or maybe change his companies' business plans based on the outcome?

People will respect Jemas more? Yeah, that and six bucks will get him into a matinee. If he really cared about such things, he wouldn't shoot off at the mouth the way he's famous for.

It's different in cyberspace for other reasons than the "automatic no fistfights rule" - there's also convenience. When you're just going over the stuff in your robe, at your leisure, anytime it strikes you to do so, is a lot different than having to take a special trip for the same debate, espceially if you're the head of a large multi-national concern. I've had plenty of arguments in cyberspace I wouldn't bother going to a special event to conclude either, and definitely not because I'm afraid of the opponent's physical prowess or being trashed.

I DK - I don't like what I've heard from Jeams either, but I have to say I think his response is funny and appropriate. I certainly wouldn't think twice about doing such a thing, and not because I was afraid of any aspect of the affair.


[This message has been edited by Aether Paladin (edited 12-29-2001).]

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#480623 - 12/28/01 09:50 PM Re: Alessi vs. Jemas in Wizard
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From a business point of view Jemas doesn't gain anything by giving a competitor with a much smaller piece of the pie any attention. Of course, he seems to like to take shots at the competition anyway. Of course I'm not sure the difference comicswise between Alessi and Jemas is the equivalent to the difference in basketball skills between Jemas and Jordan. Unless of course Jemas can play a mean game of one on one.

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