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#480798 - 12/22/01 11:13 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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This discussion makes me want to drink some booze. Heavily.

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#480799 - 12/22/01 11:28 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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You made the thread go screwy by posting a very, very long word with no spaces in it. if you want the thread to go back to normal, edit your posts!

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#480800 - 12/22/01 11:44 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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I didn't know Stan Lee still wrote comics?

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#480801 - 12/23/01 01:11 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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PHEW! I thought I was like the only one in the Milky Way that doesn't like either of the current X-Men comics.

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#480802 - 12/23/01 11:35 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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Originally posted by Matt Hawes:
And Stan Lee sold more with his PR style. --- Sold a LOT more. Explain that. That's what I am referring to, after all. Your point about "Just Imagine" is moot. We are not discussing storytelling. Someone handed you the wrong textbook, pal.



Yes, Stan sold a lot more books in his day than Joe and Bill have in theirs, but you're not just comparing apples and oranges, but you're comparing them at different stages in the growth cycle. For one, are we talking about how many books sold in his first year of being in charge? To do otherwise would be unfair to Joe and Bill. Secondly, are we just talking about flat number of books, are we taking into account the vastly different-sized marketplaces that Stan and Joe/Bill were dealt? Personally, I don't have time to run all the high-tech statistics that would be required to do a fair comparison of Stan's first year compared to Joe and Bill's, but I'd be interested in seeing the results.

It's not about "old school" vs. "new school." It's about a superior public relation stragedy that helped made Marvel the best selling comic book comapny for decades versus the in-your-face and rude PR style that has Marvel struggling to stay on top without filing Chapter 11.[/QUOTE]

Well, in their first year, Joe and Bill's style has made Marvel the best selling comic book company. For one year, true, but until they've had a full decade to either rise or fall, we won't know if they can go the distance or not. Personally, I think they will. We don't live in the same kind of world that Stan and the Merry Marvel Marching Society enjoyed back in the '60s to '70s. Our society, like it or not, has become faster, meaner, and louder. The fact that popular entertainment has to become that to be successful isn't the fault of pop. ent., it's society's for demanding it.

As far as the Chapter 11 stuff goes, every new Marvel financial report over the past year shows the company getting a firmer and firmer grip on itself, with the publishing arm repeatedly showing the most profit and the highest gains.

"DK2" beat all Marvel titles, too, BTW. DC isn't insulting their customers. How'd they do that???[/QUOTE]

DK2 beat all Marvel titles for one month, (and it didn't beat Origin by much), but most of the other top 20 books were Marvels. And DC did it by getting the creator of one of the best-selling comics ever to do a sequel, and then advertising it heavily through Time-Warner-owned mainstream publications. Which doesn't detract from the book in any way - it's a damn fine read. (Please Note: Cold corporate civility is not charm, wit, and a sense of belonging, either.)

[This message has been edited by Speed Racer (edited 12-23-2001).]
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#480803 - 12/23/01 11:42 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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Originally posted by Lew Stringer:
Interesting point; compare the literacy and sophistication of many letters in sixties/seventies Marvels to todays dumbass missives.


Ahh, and there's the rub. Compare the literacy and sophistication of ANY letters, articles, etc. in '60s/'70s publications of any sort to "today's dumbass missives," and you'll be astounded at how far literacy levels have dropped in just 30 years. Of course, that couldn't have anything to do with the fact that funding for education has continued to deteriorate every single year since then? (Sure, they raise the number of dollars every now and then, but never enough to keep up with education's "cost of living.") It's not just that subsequent generations of comic fandom got "dumber," it's been happening to our entire country.

How much of a correlation do you think there is between that and the fact that the arguably best-educated generation we every produced, the Baby Boomers, also turned out to be the hardest to control?
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#480804 - 12/23/01 11:49 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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#480805 - 12/23/01 01:19 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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Originally posted by horst:
You made the thread go screwy by posting a very, very long word with no spaces in it. if you want the thread to go back to normal, edit your posts!


I'd like that, too, Horst, but I can't. I tried.

Rick, if you want, I won't mind if you remove that particular post (the "Hahaha... post), and the quote of it in another post) to set things right. That post was not really important to the overall thread and I get a notice that says I am not allowed to edit it. Thanks!



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#480806 - 12/23/01 08:20 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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I agree with you Matt. As much as i like the new creative energy created by the coming of Joe Quasada at Marvel, i`m tired of this "bitchery". When he started at Editor-in-chef, Joe wanted to bury the hatchet with DC, a shacky relation Marvel always had with their competitors. But with what Joe and Bill have done recently, it made things worst than it was!!!

I think Joe and Bill Jemas should set-up a meeting with Mark Allesi and Paul Levitz and make peace.

All my comics are coming from Marvel, but as time goes by, i`m becoming more and more displeased with them. Whatever it`s coming from their "pissing contest" with DC or their "carnival-esque" ways to sell comic-books.

Marvel, what about cleaning-up your act?
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#480807 - 12/24/01 06:37 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
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Matt, please edit your laughter. It has made this thread very hard to read.

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