Page 2 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
#480788 - 12/22/01 12:48 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Speed Racer Offline
Member

Registered: 04/05/01
Posts: 152
Yeah, and Stan's STILL doing it with charm, wit, and a sense of belonging - and look at how good his "Just Imagine Stan Lee Creating Cr*p" is doing in TODAY's marketplace. Not the marketplace of the long-gone days of the '60s and '70s, but the marketplace of today. So let's go ahead and bring back someone with the same personality as Stan, and hopefully he'll write in the same style as Stan, too...so that modern fans can be bored out of their wits.

It's a new world, and as history shows us, old voices don't always work in a new world. Bottom line is, Bill and Joe, for all their "bullying" and what have you, are selling books. If you want a false, corporate-created sense of charm, wit, and sense of belonging, go read - and sell - Archie Comics.

Man, I'm a jerk.
_________________________
"I'm going, I'm going. Get off my back."

Top
#480789 - 12/22/01 11:26 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Matt Hawes Offline
Member

Registered: 07/13/01
Posts: 1965
Loc: Evansville, IN U.S.A.
Quote:
Originally posted by QCCBob:
Quote:
Originally posted by Matt Hawes:
I don't feel they want me as a retailer OR a fan. I don't think they care about anyone. It's all about the money and getting attention to make that money, period.

Merry Christmas, Marvel.


AMEN!! BTW, are you experiencing the same severe drop off on your X-books like we are in Cincinnati? What these idiots don't realize is while they create hype, people read the books, see the recycled plots, see the inconsistant art and shipping dates missed, and QUIT believing the hype and buying the books. I just dropped Uncanny by 35 copies, never thought anyone could do a book THAT bad and run off the X-Zombies!!!! At least Morrison can do an original plot like teasing with Jean and a Phoenix-effect, never seen that in a X-title before. LOL I only had to drop New X-men by 10 copies.

[/B]


I am having some readers drop the X-Men titles. Not a huge number, yet. But no one new is picking them up, either.

I agree with you about Marvel's so-called originality. After clearing away the old for the "new" on the X-Men titles, what do we get: In "Uncanny" a group of ugly mutants living undeground in tunnels and someone's trying to exterminate them. Nope, never seen that before! :P

"ORIGIN" is running late (It is a good story, though).

Marvel's PR tactic is the "Made You Look" variety. It's all about taunts, smoke and mirrors and being in your face. It gets attention, but it doesn't endear or earn loyalty.



------------------
Matthew Hawes
COMICS UNLIMITED
Evansville, IN
_________________________
"Mainstream" Matthew Hawes

COMICS UNLIMITED
654-B E. Diamond Avenue
Evansville, Indiana 47711
(812) 423-6952

www.comicsunlimited.biz

Top
#480790 - 12/22/01 11:33 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Matt Hawes Offline
Member

Registered: 07/13/01
Posts: 1965
Loc: Evansville, IN U.S.A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Speed Racer:
Yeah, and Stan's STILL doing it with charm, wit, and a sense of belonging - and look at how good his "Just Imagine Stan Lee Creating Cr*p" is doing in TODAY's marketplace. Not the marketplace of the long-gone days of the '60s and '70s, but the marketplace of today. So let's go ahead and bring back someone with the same personality as Stan, and hopefully he'll write in the same style as Stan, too...so that modern fans can be bored out of their wits.

It's a new world, and as history shows us, old voices don't always work in a new world. Bottom line is, Bill and Joe, for all their "bullying" and what have you, are selling books. If you want a false, corporate-created sense of charm, wit, and sense of belonging, go read - and sell - Archie Comics.

Man, I'm a jerk.


And Stan Lee sold more with his PR style. --- Sold a LOT more. Explain that. That's what I am referring to, after all. Your point about "Just Imagine" is moot. We are not discussing storytelling. Someone handed you the wrong textbook, pal.

It's not about "old school" vs. "new school." It's about a superior public relation stragedy that helped made Marvel the best selling comic book comapny for decades versus the in-your-face and rude PR style that has Marvel struggling to stay on top without filing Chapter 11.

"DK2" beat all Marvel titles, too, BTW. DC isn't insulting their customers. How'd they do that???

------------------
Matthew Hawes
COMICS UNLIMITED
Evansville, IN
_________________________
"Mainstream" Matthew Hawes

COMICS UNLIMITED
654-B E. Diamond Avenue
Evansville, Indiana 47711
(812) 423-6952

www.comicsunlimited.biz

Top
#480791 - 12/22/01 11:44 AM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Steve Hogan Offline
Member

Registered: 02/27/01
Posts: 5099
Loc: Burlington, VT 05401
Quote:
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian:
Steve Hogan is the Mick Foley of Comicon.
You need to grow a thicker skin, and recognize superb wit, parody, and satire when you see it. Come to the gutters sometime and experience his comedy stylings - they often make my day.

- Kevin



Mick Foley?! Has someone been blacking out teeth in my press photos?

Thanks for the support Kevin, but I don't think that Matt would enjoy the Gutters as we don't tend to preface our names with "Smilin'" "Jolly" and the like.

Comic readers would be well served to focus on the quality of individual titles as opposed to looking to publishers as surrogate families.

Just for the record, McDonald's isn't run by a clown named Ronald.
_________________________
http://www.acidkeg.com/

Top
#480792 - 12/22/01 12:00 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Matt Hawes Offline
Member

Registered: 07/13/01
Posts: 1965
Loc: Evansville, IN U.S.A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hogan:
Mick Foley?! Has someone been blacking out teeth in my press photos?

Thanks for the support Kevin, but I don't think that Matt would enjoy the Gutters as we don't tend to preface our names with "Smilin'" "Jolly" and the like.



Oh look, Steve's back. I'm sorry, Steve, you are obviously one of those types that like to stir things up and gripe a bunch because you weren't loved enough as a child, huh? Kinda explains why you spend time in "The Gutters." If that gives you validation, go for it.

But, really, Steve, you've made your li'l points. Let me know if you are just going to troll around or if you have anything of substance to add to the thread. It's tedious and boring to turn these posts into sniping contests of one-upmanship. Don't continue your course of predictability. If you don't have anything else of value to add, scamper back to your "Gutters." Thanks, peaches.



------------------
Matthew Hawes
COMICS UNLIMITED
Evansville, IN
_________________________
"Mainstream" Matthew Hawes

COMICS UNLIMITED
654-B E. Diamond Avenue
Evansville, Indiana 47711
(812) 423-6952

www.comicsunlimited.biz

Top
#480793 - 12/22/01 12:19 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Steve Hogan Offline
Member

Registered: 02/27/01
Posts: 5099
Loc: Burlington, VT 05401
Quote:
Originally posted by Matt Hawes:
Oh look, Steve's back. I'm sorry, Steve, you are obviously one of those types that like to stir things up and gripe a bunch because you weren't loved enough as a child, huh? Kinda explains why you spend time in "The Gutters." If that gives you validation, go for it.

LOL. At least I was loved enough that I didn't look to the Marvel Bullpen as surrogate parents or friends!

If stirring things up and griping is so bad, why exactly did you start this thread Matt?

But, really, Steve, you've made your li'l points. Let me know if you are just going to troll around or if you have anything of substance to add to the thread. It's tedious and boring to turn these posts into sniping contests of one-upmanship. Don't continue your course of predictability. If you don't have anything else of value to add, scamper back to your "Gutters." Thanks, peaches.


You're welcome "Dumpling". I guess Bill Jemas could learn from your sweetness and diplomacy...you being so cuddly and even tempered and all.

Maybe Mr. Jemas could stand to tone down the rhetoric a bit, but quite frankly Marvel seems to be making more of an effort to reach out to wider audience. Certainly it's practices are a lot less distasteful than during the hucksterism of the 90's.

I've had disagreements with Kim Thompson over on the TCJ board, but at the end of the day I still buy Fantagraphics titles on the strength of their quality. Maybe the end of the "Marvel Zombie" midset isn't such a bad thing.
_________________________
http://www.acidkeg.com/

Top
#480794 - 12/22/01 07:16 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Matt Hawes Offline
Member

Registered: 07/13/01
Posts: 1965
Loc: Evansville, IN U.S.A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hogan:
You're welcome "Dumpling". I guess Bill Jemas could learn from your sweetness and diplomacy...you being so cuddly and even tempered and all.

Maybe Mr. Jemas could stand to tone down the rhetoric a bit, but quite frankly Marvel seems to be making more of an effort to reach out to wider audience. Certainly it's practices are a lot less distasteful than during the hucksterism of the 90's.

I've had disagreements with Kim Thompson over on the TCJ board, but at the end of the day I still buy Fantagraphics titles on the strength of their quality. Maybe the end of the "Marvel Zombie" midset isn't such a bad thing.


Hi, Steve.

Thanks, seriously, for responding in a civil manner. I apolgise for my snide remarks, but your first post was used as an oportunity to deride Stan Lee for something that had noting to do with what I was discussing and came off combative, to me.

Creatively, Marvel is branching out. I give kudos to Marvel (Joe Quesada, in particular) for that. But the fashion in which Marvel and Bill Jemas, as its' voice, handle the distribution, printing, public relation and promotion of its' product leaves much to be desired.

I asked this on another board, but can anyone see Walmart, a much, much, more successful business, treating its' business associates as Marvel does retailers that do not agree with their every whim? Would Walmart insult its' competitors so bluntly and childishly in its' press releases and ads? No, because that attitude may garner attention, but it's tacky and unprofessional and causes more ill will and resentment. The fact that I am not alone in this is proof that Marvel is doing something wrong. You have only to read any trade paper of the industry to see the ill will Bill Jemas has attracted. Can anyone see a successful company thrive for long on such unprofessionalism?

As I've already stated, Bill Jemas's approach has yet to increase sales for Marvel to the point of sales when Stan Lee took a more tactful approach.

Why does McDonalds sell BILLIONS of hamburgers? Because of that Ronald McDonald fella you wrote about. That friendly image. It sells. It sells a lot.



------------------
Matthew Hawes
COMICS UNLIMITED
Evansville, IN
_________________________
"Mainstream" Matthew Hawes

COMICS UNLIMITED
654-B E. Diamond Avenue
Evansville, Indiana 47711
(812) 423-6952

www.comicsunlimited.biz

Top
#480795 - 12/22/01 09:25 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Lew Stringer Offline
Member

Registered: 08/14/01
Posts: 348
Good topic, Matt. I guess Marvel are trying to reflect the times; badass resentful kids full of cynicism. It is a shame. Sixties Marvel was all about rising above adversity and being a true hero. Current Marvel seems to be streetlevel kick ass.

It's optimism replaced by pessimism, but that's the way society has gone, sadly.


Interesting point; compare the literacy and sophistication of many letters in sixties/seventies Marvels to todays dumbass missives.

Top
#480796 - 12/22/01 10:09 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Edwin Bravenech Jr Offline
Member

Registered: 12/15/01
Posts: 320
I'm offended that you would tell my buddy Steve (I consider him a gutter buddy and a man of incredible wit, I don't know him personally) to scamper, comparing him to a rat.

Top
#480797 - 12/22/01 10:20 PM Re: Stan Used To Do It With Charm, Wit, and a Sense of Belonging.
Spankme Imavirgin Offline
Member

Registered: 12/22/01
Posts: 136
Loc: Ecstasy, Vermont
I love Steve too. He taught me how to read and used to buy me clothes when I was cold.

Top
Page 2 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >