riginally posted by ed hannigan:
This is new to me. If true it would have been a HUGE news story.
It was. I don't know how you missed it, what with the close attention you paid.
It was? Show me a link. If this is true they would still be harping on it today. Every Democrat running for any office in the land would STILL bring it up on every news talk program they were ever on.
quote:What the Gore people tried to do in having those votes thrown out gave the lie to the "count all the votes" mantra that Gore kept repeating, even though at no time did he actally request or demand that all the votes be recounted.
Having paid close attention though, you'll know that Gore's campaign never challenged these votes. An independant party did. Gore stuck by his "let every vote be counted" platform. It doesn't change the fact that different standards were applied to each candidate.
Independent party. Come on! There is not one single person in the world over theh age of 10 who didn't realize that these "independent parties" were proxies for Gore's people who wanted to maintain just this kind of technical deniability. Come on!
quote:Katherine Harris merely followed the laws of the state. The fact that George Bush's brother is the popular Governor of Florida proves nothing aside from the fact that the Bushes have widespread support in Florida.
Both were in a position to make personal decisions in cases where they had a clear bias. They should have recused themselves. They didn't.
You haven't said what Jeb Bush's alleged role in this is. Katherine Harris was doing her job. She followed the law instead of bending or breaking it as the Gore people wanted. There was no reason for her to recuse herself.
quote:As you say, not proved and in fact several accusations of this nature (roadblocks for instance targeted at Black mortorists) were proved to be either highly exaggerated or completely false. And why were are these election volunteers "anonymous"? Come on!
Under these standards, Nixon should never have been impeached. Anonymous tips are used in these matters constantly.
Nixon wasn't impeached on the say so of anonumous tipsters. Evidence was brought forth. I disbelieve the story about these "anoonymous" election volunteers. It really is not credible. Sorry.
quote:While we're floating rumors. how about this one: Wonder why the Democrats insisted on using that butterfly ballot and the old machines when they were given the option to upgrade? Wonder how dimpled and hanging chads get produced only in some places and not others where the same machines are used? Could it be because it's possible to insert more than one ballot into one of those machines? And that if enough ballots are inserted sometimes you can't punch all the way through the bottom ballot? Hmm? I mean, how hard is it to punch a hole in a piece of paper with a stylus especially if it means defeating that evil fascist Bush?!
So in other words, you take me to task for mentioning an anonymous but corraborated story, and then present your own conspiracy theory with no backing at all.
Believe what you want. I clearly called it a rumor. I think it's more likely than your story IMHO. What's your explanation for "dimpled" and "hanging chads"?
quote:I said it before; election fraud on the part of Florida Democrats is legendary.
And your proof is that you think people purposely inserted double ballots.
Proof of what? Do you dispute that election fraud by Democrats in Florida is legendary?
quote:As to the Supreme Court, which you alluded to in an earlier post, all they did was overturn a ruling by the Florida Supreme Court, which is widely acknowledged to be very partisan.
As oppose to the supreme court.
I don't say they aren't biased toward the Right but I believe the decision was sound. The Florida Supreme Court ruling would probbakly not have survived any Supreme Court if it was any way a fair
court. The best they could have hoped for was the court refusing the case.
quote:If memory serves, one of the Justices appointed by Bush Sr. (Souter) was on the dissenting side.
I'd have to look it up. If you're right, it's a good point.
Look it up.
quote:At any rate, the decision did not elect the President. The President is chosen by the Electoral College.
Who were formed for a reason. This sort of situation. In this sort of case, they are meant to say, "Well clearly the people of Florida meant to vote for Gore," and cast their votes accordingly. They didn't.
That's a matter of opinion. I'd say they did their job perfectly. The fact is Bush is legally the President.
quote:They elected George Bush and no challenge to that election was ever forthcoming. Thus Bush's election whether you like it or not, was legal and legitimate.
Because the final red stamp put on a shady election was legitimate?
Shady in your opinion. I think the only shady thing about it was the continual attempts by the Gore people to steal the election.
quote:This will be argued forever but it's really pointless. You get another shot at it in a couple of years. I have been alive for every President since Eisenhower and I've survived every Administration, some of which I detested. So I grit my teeth or laugh at them and wait until the next one. No big deal.
Some of us think that election fraud is a big deal. It sets precedents for future elections. Oh, and we have to live with an idiot man-child who cheated his way to the Presidency in the meantime.
Again, your opinion. In light of Gore's recent utterences I think we lucked out in not being afflicted with him for at least four years and maybe forever. If you take election fraud seriously there is no way you could support the Democrats.
I'm not totally enchanted with Bush, but Gore? Brrrr...