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#498944 - 09/12/02 03:29 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Samuel Catalino Offline
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Originally posted by Buckminster Futter:


In Sam's righteous indignation, he conveniently forgets when he offended many here a couple of years ago with his repeated wishes that his longtime Comicon.com adversary John Bollinger (aka Fanboy2000) would die in a fiery plane crash. He didn't get that wish, fortunately...John was merely crippled while visiting the WTC that fateful day.

I don't recall Sam ever mentioning a personal stake in the 9/11 tragedy before this thread, but perhaps this is to whom he's been vaguely alluding.

And that would be as sick as he's accusing others of being.

Let's roll!


Actually, I never posted such repeated wishes, Buck.

I imagine if you repeat something over and over again, you begin to believe it. You may feel free to continue to believe whatever you wish, even though you had promised not to mention such nonsense again. It is nice to know you still are out lurking about healthy and posting vitriol.

I learned a long time(a hard lesson) ago not to post personal tragedies here because of the "sensitive" natures of individuals like you. Oh, I had alluded to the very thing you posted(personal stake) about over a year ago. I am not surprised that you had forgotten about it, and that continues to be your nature.

As for the righteous indignation, you are a day late and a dollar short on that topic. We have moved on. I take it by your comments that all of those sites amuse you. Feel free to continue to amuse yourself.

You have the corner on being sick, Buck; I could never compete in that arena with you.

I would not want to either.

Have a wonderful day!
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#498945 - 09/12/02 03:38 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Talon T M Offline
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Originally posted by Mvoid:


Wore all black. My desire was to mourn the dead, not clang the Liberty Bell.


So if everyone announced that we'd all be wearing black, would you have worn red, white, and blue instead? smile
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#498946 - 09/12/02 03:39 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Pat ONeill Offline
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I'll leave it to the statisticians to figure out the odds of this happening and/or the conspiracy theorists to claim that the drawing was somwhow rigged.


As my math-whiz son rightly pointed out when the newscaster this morning asked, "What are the odds of that happening?":

"The same as the odds were for 9-1-1 coming up on January 1 and the same as they will be today--one in one-thousand."

Best, Pat
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#498947 - 09/12/02 03:44 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Dan Carroll Offline
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Originally posted by Talon T M:
So if everyone announced that we'd all be wearing black, would you have worn red, white, and blue instead?


No, nor do I see how you got that from what I said.

Traditionally, red, white, and blue are associated with patriotism, whereas black is associated with mourning.

I'm kind of amazed I have to explain that, and yet here we are.

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#498948 - 09/12/02 04:09 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
sivelio Offline
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Registered: 03/09/02
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Originally posted by Son of Thunder:


I wrote a piece this summer on the public reactions to the 9/11 attacks, based on terror management theory, and was planning to present it at this spring's Eastern Psychological Association meeting. Sadly for me, but fortunately for everyone else, the creators of TMT (Pyszczynski, Greenberg, and Solomon) just published a book, "In the Wake of 9/11," that blew my little contribution out of the water. They cover exactly the material I covered, and they did it much better than I did.

I encourage anyone who wants an interpretation of the psychological aspects of terrorism and the 9/11 attacks that is founded in solid theory and emprirical research to read this book.


Here's Zizek's (pronounced "Slavoi Jijek" BTW)initial essay on 9/11 which he later expanded into a book:

(I posted a link here that didn't work. But anyone curious about the essay--called "Welcome To The Desert of The Real"-- can go the Zizek site)

From your post I'm guessing you're not a Zizek fan. But whether or not you dislike Lacanians for their supposed lack of systematic rigour, you can't deny Zizek's brilliant application of Lacanian theories. At the very least he's infinitely quotable as this essay shows.

Note: The phrase "Welcome To The Desert of The Real", taken from The Matrix, was lifted by the directors from an early-eighties book by Jean Baudrillard, "Simulations". Baudrillard's theories of "simulacrum" seem to have had more of an influence on that film than Buddhism or anime.

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#498949 - 09/12/02 05:03 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Talon T M Offline
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Originally posted by Mvoid:


No, nor do I see how you got that from what I said.

Traditionally, red, white, and blue are associated with patriotism, whereas black is associated with mourning.

I'm kind of amazed I have to explain that, and yet here we are.


I'm kind of amazed you thought you had to explain that...or that I'd have to explain what I said, but as you say, here we are.
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#498950 - 09/12/02 05:05 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Dan Carroll Offline
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All right then, I'll play.

Oh yeah? Well I know you are, but what am I?

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#498951 - 09/12/02 05:12 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
ATKokmen Offline
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Originally posted by Pat ONeill:
As my math-whiz son rightly pointed out when the newscaster this morning asked, "What are the odds of that happening?":

"The same as the odds were for 9-1-1 coming up on January 1 and the same as they will be today--one in one-thousand."


Well, it's true that the odds of any given three digit number being drawn is one-in-one-thousand. But I think the more relevant calculation for those who are marvelling at the coincidence is something more like: "What are the odds that the three-digit winning number is the same as the date on which that number was drawn?"

Which is only a slightly more complicated calculation, but one that would have to factor in the actual calendar date, and account for those dates which can not be expressed in three digits, and chose how to treat dates that can be expressed with two digits (that is, on, say, March fifth, do you count 0-3-5 as the interesting lottery number, or 3-0-5 as the interesting lottery number, or both, or neither?) Plus there's the fact that this particular lottery seems to do two drawings per day. And then there are leap years...

It's mathematics with only a few more steps, but I have to confess that I'm working on too little sleep and too much caffeine to work it out right now.
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#498952 - 09/12/02 09:29 PM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Buckminster Futter Offline
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Originally posted by Samuel Catalino:


Actually, I never posted such repeated wishes, Buck.


Suffice it to say that there are those of us that have been at Comicon.com long enough to remember those hateful posts of yours, Sam, and know you to be the prevaricating poseur you are.

And a good day to you, as well.
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#498953 - 09/13/02 07:34 AM Re: 9/11: A Speech of Frustration
Samuel Catalino Offline
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Originally posted by Buckminster Futter:


Suffice it to say that there are those of us that have been at Comicon.com long enough to remember those hateful posts of yours, Sam, and know you to be the prevaricating poseur you are.

And a good day to you, as well.


It is interesting to see the buckfutter backpedal shuffle...

Please be reminded some have not forgotten a certain accusation leveled at you for some of your actions outside of Comicon.com.

You have posted your share of invectives, so how does that designate your current behavior?

I suppose the answer is that it depends on what your definition of "hateful" is.

I don't understand your last comment, unless it was full of sarcasm as it was evening when you posted.

Have a pleasant day, whoever you are!
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