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#500885 - 10/09/02 04:28 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 04/04/02
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Loc: Chicago, IL
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Originally posted by AlanDavidDoane: "If Ellis had this amazing body of work, then maybe… If Alan Moore were to come to your house and shit on your lawn (which I understand he's quite capable of doing), how much could you object? The only major flaw being that Warren Ellis is not coming over to your house. You're going over to his.
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#500886 - 10/09/02 04:48 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 03/22/01
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Originally posted by Mvoid:
The only major flaw being that Warren Ellis is not coming over to your house. You're going over to his. Yes, and even though he banned me within six hours of my first post for defending Dave Sim from the hivemind Simogynists, I still invaded his house from time to time, my Read-Only Access allowing me to have quite a few chuckles at everybody saying the same thing in a different way. Lack of Diversity = Death.
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TTM "I am well aware of you. You are surplus to requirements here. Stick to the Comicon zoo. " -- Warren Ellis
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#500887 - 10/09/02 04:53 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 06/15/02
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Originally posted by Talon T M: Yes, and even though he banned me within six hours of my first post for defending Dave Sim from the hivemind Simogynists... What's Ellis' problem with Dave Sim?
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#500888 - 10/09/02 04:57 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 06/15/02
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Originally posted by AlanDavidDoane: There's a brilliant summation of the WEF up now at Movie Poop Shoot. Here's a sample: Here is a related passage quite germane to this thread: "If you want to be “angry,” if you want to pose, fine. I used to be “angry” about all sorts of stuff, back when I gave a damn or had hope, I suppose. Be angry." "Just quit being such fucking BOOBS about it. Be smart-angry. Be amazing, unmerciful critics. Posting about how bad superhero comics are, except JLA/PLANETARY? Posting about how brainless comic books are, except brain-dead nonsense like COUSCOUS EXPRESS? Posting about how woman-hating comics are, except SIN CITY? AUTOMATIC KAFKA-- are you fucking kidding me? Endless fucked catchphrases like “pamphlets” or “pervert suits” or “Pop Comics” that don't mean a damn thing, that don't withstand even a minute of critical thought?" "Be angry that you've been sold “angry” as a marketing scheme. Be angry that you've been sold off-the-shelf anger to promote third-rate books not worthy of your time. Be angry that if more people bought “Original Graphic Novels” instead of “pamphlets,” that would only serve to bar entry for new creators or new voices, leaving us trapped with the over-the-hill assholes we're stuck with now. Be angry that you've been sold faux-anger that's distracted you from how great Peter Milligan and Mike Allred's last book was, how great Darko Macan and Igor Kordey's last book was, the pleasure of Bruce Jones or Scott Morse or Brian Bendis or Alex Maleev or whomever."
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#500889 - 10/09/02 04:58 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 06/16/01
Posts: 2865
Loc: Los Angeles
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Originally posted by Shoegaze99:
What's Ellis' problem with Dave Sim? I'm just guessing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that Sim believes something other than what Ellis believes.
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#500890 - 10/09/02 04:58 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 05/25/01
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Originally posted by Talon T M: Lack of Diversity = Death. And in this case it did. ADD
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#500891 - 10/09/02 06:23 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 06/15/02
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Originally posted by IvanJim: I'm just guessing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that Sim believes something other than what Ellis believes. Well Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick, if I had known somebody would go and do something like that,, there is not question that I'd hate them, too. Doesn't everybody have great disdain for people who believe something other than what you believe?
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#500892 - 10/09/02 06:32 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 03/25/00
Posts: 240
Loc: London, England
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Originally posted by Shoegaze99:
What's Ellis' problem with Dave Sim? On that occasion, the problem behind the banning of Talon was with Talon's body of work. And he HAS the body of work. He's Talon. Of course, the underlying problem was always with the manner of people's comments. If someone took time to establish themselves as bona fide and then started using that aggressive tone (*), they'd get away with it. If a new poster announced their presence with such a tone they'd be booted off. That's what gives people the impression that everyone agreed, when in fact there was as much diversity of opinion as you find in any forum of that many people.) (* some of you don't seem to like the nastiness when others do it, and to be honest the WEF could have done without it sometimes. You read what you want to see, and ignore the rest I suppose.)
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#500893 - 10/09/02 06:34 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 1
Loc: UK
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It must be very tiring bustling around the various WEF satellite forums getting outraged.
And you realise the "All British! All Gay!" thing was a response to this thread, don't you?
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#500894 - 10/09/02 06:35 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Registered: 03/25/00
Posts: 240
Loc: London, England
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Originally posted by Eel O'Brian: Hey, just ask Steve Bissette about the treatment he received there. True, but that was between Steve and Warren, not between Steve and THE WEF.
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