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#500865 - 10/09/02 12:12 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Originally posted by madget:
It always struck me as an internet message board run by people who disliked internet message boards, and held in contempt 90% of all people who use them. In this respect its closure always seemed like a mere matter of time.
K All true... and yet, none of them - not even Ellis himself, mind you - have stopped participating on message boards. So it seems that the real failure was the WEF itself.
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#500866 - 10/09/02 12:16 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Originally posted by Gail:
No offense here, I understand the point being made (except that I like and admire Warren), but...
J-Bolt a Wef victim?
In what universe? This is a guy who BEGGED us to review his non-existing product. He wrote Warren and I and many others repeatedly. He lied through his teeth and THEN he tried to get people to subscribe online for material that to this day, two years later, STILL hasn't been produced. If someone HAD, god forbid, subscribed, they'd be out at least 200 dollars for an online ashcan that's little more than several ads, and a single online comic of hilariously bad quality.
And when we quit talking about him, he CONTINUED to send letters. He DEMANDED to be interviewed. He's still out there trying to sell subscriptions for God's sake.
Anyway, I'm not actually (Yabs aside) a mean person, and the WEF was way too mean for my tastes at times (although it could be great, too), but this is absolutely a guy who was begging for it. When people are asking for money for books that will never arrive, the kid gloves come off.
Gail I don't know enough about Lightning Bolt Comics and their various publications to really address the issues you seem to have with their output rate. But if anyone paid money for a product or service they did not receive, they should speak up. I've never seen a single post from a person who claimed to have given J-Bolt any money, so the way his proffessionalism and talent were ripped to shreds was completely uncalled for.
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#500867 - 10/09/02 12:40 PM
Re: What, no weeping for the WEF?
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Originally posted by Chris Butcher:
Wow, Grind Those Axes...
"Foreigners of questionable sexuality"
Right.
Maybe if you want to spend a bunch of time talking about all the hatred and bitterness and cattiness that exists on the internet, you should save yourself a trip to the Ellis Forums and go look in a mirror or instead, kids.
- Christopher Their new forum has a slogan of "All Gay! All British! All the Time!" so I hardly think my observations regarding those folks is completely off-base. How dare you tell me to look in a mirror? I'm confident that my essential goodness shines through in all or most of my posts.
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#500868 - 10/09/02 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by someon:
Fine. But most anyone who expressed thoughts straying from the hivemind got slapped down if Ellis didn't care to hear them.
One thing about this "hivemind." Which is more of a "hivemind"? people who want their superhero comics just the way they like them or people who believe that the American comics industry can never grow again unless it expands beyond a single genre?
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#500869 - 10/09/02 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Eel O'Brian:
Also, does anyone else think it's funny that, for a bunch of people who used to frequently express complete disdain for Comicon, they sure pop up on here awfully quick to defend their beloved Delphimaster whenever someone calls his bullshit?
That can only mean they've been lurking here this whole time, and THEY ARE NERDS IN DENIAL. Well, if by funny you mean sickening, then yes. Yes I do.
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#500870 - 10/09/02 01:07 PM
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Which is more of a "hivemind"? people who want their superhero comics just the way they like them
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people who believe that the American comics industry can never grow again unless it expands beyond a single genre?
That's a false dilemma since as a whole the WEF actually fell more into the first category than the second. One of the most consistent things on the WEF was the championing of various superhero books. Sure, there was a lot of diversity about which superhero to champion, but it was all the same "pervert suit" stuff. At most, the WEF were more self loathing about it that most fanboys. Also, notice that despite all the preaching and haranguing about lack of genre diverstity, most of the creators were either still involved in super-hero books or were doing other genre work. Ellis has excellent taste (see his artbomb reviews) but his own work (Transmet, Planetary, Ministry of Space, Authority, Global Frequency) doesn't stray far from the superhero/sci fi/horror milieu that has dominated comics since the 50's.
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#500871 - 10/09/02 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Passive Aggressive Quip Maker:
One thing about this "hivemind."
Which is more of a "hivemind"? people who want their superhero comics just the way they like them
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people who believe that the American comics industry can never grow again unless it expands beyond a single genre? I wasn't even talking about comics. I was talking about the general attitude of the whole board - 'Think like us, or goodbye'. It applied to everything - politics, movies, television, literature. Not just comics. Hey, just ask Steve Bissette about the treatment he received there.
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#500872 - 10/09/02 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by ericomaraltice:
Well, if by funny you mean sickening, then yes. Yes I do. Of course, by this logic, your own (self-professed) Delphi lurking makes you a WEFer in denial. Which I just find funny as in funny.
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#500873 - 10/09/02 01:12 PM
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I miss the WEF. I found out about a lot of terrific books because of it. I didn't agree with all of the postings there. I don't agree with all of the postings here. If you didn't like it no one was forcing you to read it. And it was the WEF forum so if Ellis wanted to chide someone or boot them out he was well within his rights to do so. Yes, some people were assholes. There are certainly assholes in these forums too.
And I never felt that Ellis was anti-superhero, just against more of the same crap month after month. Comics have so much more to offer than that. And this is not an anti-superhero diatribe as I enjoy superheroes when they are done well. They are just not the end all, be all of the comics world.
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#500874 - 10/09/02 01:13 PM
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I offer more proof the the former denizens of the WEF are disturbing, hateful people who think it is funny when American children are murdered in cold blood on the way to school. This thread: http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=InsultLoki&msg=3660.1 in which they laugh about the serial killer sniper in the DC area. Can there be any more debate about quality of their character? The guy who started the thread has a moderator's hammer, for Christ's sake.
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