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#503244 - 11/19/02 01:21 PM Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
CHUPACABRA Offline
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I would think the two of them would be best mates since they have so many things in common, but I've read bits about Moore not liking Morrison (although I can't remember any specific reasons).

Can anyone shed any light on this? cool

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#503245 - 11/19/02 01:25 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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I don't know that this specifically refers to Morrison, but...

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in the 15 years since Watchmen, an awful lot of the comics field devoted to these very grim, pessimistic, nasty, violent stories which kind of use Watchmen to validate what are, in effect, often just some very nasty stories that don't have a lot to recommend them. And some of them are very pretentious, where they'll try and grab some sort of intellectual gloss for what they're doing by referring to a few song titles, or the odd book. They'll name-drop William Burroughs here or there. Just like MAD comics, which was a unique standalone thing, it's almost become a genre. The gritty, deconstructivist postmodern superhero comic, as exemplified by Watchmen, also became a genre. It was never meant to. It was meant to be one work on its own. I think, to that degree, it may have had a deleterious effect upon the medium since then. I'd have liked to have seen more people trying to do something that was as technically complex as Watchmen, or as ambitious, but which wasn't strumming the same chords that Watchmen had strummed so repetitively. This is not to say that the entire industry became like this, but at least a big enough chunk of it did that it is a noticeable thing. The apocalyptic bleakness of comics over the past 15 years sometimes seems odd to me, because it's like that was a bad mood that I was in 15 years ago. It was the 1980s, we'd got this insane right-wing voter fear running the country, and I was in a bad mood, politically and socially and in most other ways. So that tended to reflect in my work. But it was a genuine bad mood, and it was mine. I tend to think that I've seen a lot of things over the past 15 years that have been a bizarre echo of somebody else's bad mood. It's not even their bad mood, it's mine, but they're still working out the ramifications of me being a bit grumpy 15 years ago.


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#503246 - 11/19/02 01:50 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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Funny, because i've heard almost those same words about the grim and gritty look at superheroes come out of Grant Morrison's mouth on more than one occasion. I think the interview with him on Sequential Tart's site goes over some of this subject.

As for Moore's sidelong bash on guys who drop song titles or WS Burroughs' name, i guess that might apply to Morrison, but i certainly don't see it that way. There's a bit more going on in his work than glib namedropping and science-fiction gloss (though those are certainly a component of it.)

-Matt, who kinda agrees with Moore, kinda sorta.

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#503247 - 11/19/02 01:59 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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I don't think it would be a fair size-up of Morrison either. But I do think it applies to several writers around right now, (some of them very popular.) And I can see how it would be easy for Moore to lump the hot writers of the day into one category, you know?

Mind you I'm not in Moore's head, so all of this is just me talking out my ass.

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#503248 - 11/19/02 02:05 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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I think everyone has a right to be in a bad mood and write about it once in awhile. I can't say to much about Morrison, since I haven't read much of his non-superhero stuff, but I think Ennis's and Ellis's bad moods are differant enough not to be called out right plagerism. Bottom line: I think Moore is a genius and has a tendancy to create his own reality.
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#503249 - 11/19/02 02:58 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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It may have something to do with the fact that Moore is all serious into Occultism, and Morrison babbles on about it nonsensically like a teenybopper smoking her first joint.

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#503250 - 11/19/02 03:34 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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The rage of Caliban seeing his own face in a glass.

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#503251 - 11/19/02 04:23 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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Moore's "dislike" of Morrison predates his conversion to magic. Morrison himself has said that it dates back to some nasty things he said about Watchmen.

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#503252 - 11/19/02 05:02 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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Apparently Grant Morrison wrote a column in 1990 where he alleged that Moore got all of his ideas from the obscure novel SUPERFOLKS.

You can read about it here.

Haven't read the column. Knowing Grant's tendency for hyperbole, the column might not so much been about Moore being influenced so much as claiming that Moore stole his ideas...

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#503253 - 11/19/02 05:07 PM Re: Why Does Alan Moore dislike Grant Morrison?
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Originally posted by Max Castle:
Haven't read the column. Knowing Grant's tendency for hyperbole, the column might not so much been about Moore being influenced so much as claiming that Moore stole his ideas...


Knowing Morrison's shameless love of plagarism, the column probably wasn't intended as an attack exactly, either.

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