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#504811 - 08/18/02 10:50 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
NatGertler Offline
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Originally posted by Pat ONeill:
If that retailer didn't know that having ANY adult material on display in a store across the street from an elementary school was an invitation for trouble in his community, he should have.
And having any comics on sale at all will invite trouble from some circles. That doesn't mean that one should give in to the would-be book-burners of this world.
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Part of running a business--especially a small business--in any community is being a good neighbor, a part of the community.
I've yet to see any sign that they were anything but a good neighbor and a part of the community.
Do you know something we don't know?
[QUOTE]BTW, I don't know how it is elsewhere, but 7-11s and Wawas (the Eastern PA, South Jersey local equivalent) don't sell anything harder than Maxim on their magazine racks--no Playboy, no Penthouse, certainly no Hustler.[QUOTE]In my experience, the 7-11s that carry these things (the ones that aren't owned by the Southland Corp, which dropped the magazines due to the efforts of pro-censorship liars such as the AFA and the Meese Commission) carry them behind the counter, to be given to the customer by request. This controls the ability of minors to access the material -- just like the adult section in the comic book store did.

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#504812 - 08/18/02 11:36 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
William Bradley Offline
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Did the store owner or manager exercise poor judgement? I suppose an argument could be made. But, again, that means that the owners of every 7-11, Cumberland Farms, Stewart Shop, or any other convenience store that carries adult materials located near a school is guilty of the same error.

(And yes, many 7-11s and other convenience stores do carry hardcore pornography. The 7-11 located around the corner from my old office displayed copies of "Barely Legal" and "Swank" behind the counter, in clear view-- which, from what I've understood from reports, is much more conspicuous than the adult material displayed in the comic book store in question).

I don't know... it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. If kids had been exposed to porn as a result of this store's proximity, I could see how this might be a problem. But, again, the school being nearby seems to just be coincidental-- the guy was not charged with providing indecent materials to minors. He was charged with selling a comic book to a grown-up.

And again, I've got to reiterate my disgust with the police and the politicians involved with this case. The more I think about this issue, the angrier I get. This seems like a blatant abuse of power to me, and I think it's terrible to see the law manipulated to victimize someone who hasn't done anything wrong.

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#504813 - 08/19/02 10:38 AM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Originally posted by Nat:
"And having any comics on sale at all will invite trouble from some circles. That doesn't mean that one should give in to the would-be book-burners of this world."

Are there really groups out there trying to ban comics en masse? Today? If so, I haven't heard of/from them; and this from a Southern Baptist pastor who writes a comic review column. With all of the comic-related and influenced stuff on t.v., in the movies, on children's clothing, etc., any groups out there calling for the "end" of comics is, I would wager, not even a blip on the radar screen.
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#504814 - 08/19/02 11:40 AM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
NatGertler Offline
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Originally posted by Mark Allen:
Are there really groups out there trying to ban comics en masse? Today?
Groups trying to ban them? Not that I know of. Individuals who think that comics are evil and lead to trouble and ought be kept away from kids? Seems to be. For almost any given comic book, someone who thinks it's A Bad Thing? Certainly. And all it takes is one such person in the wrong place in government to take the sort of freedom-hating attitude that we see in this case, and there will be trouble.

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#504815 - 08/19/02 01:16 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allen:

Are there really groups out there trying to ban comics en masse? Today? If so, I haven't heard of/from them; and this from a Southern Baptist pastor who writes a comic review column. With all of the comic-related and influenced stuff on t.v., in the movies, on children's clothing, etc., any groups out there calling for the "end" of comics is, I would wager, not even a blip on the radar screen.[/QB]



I don't know about that, Mark. At a snail's pace, the comic book industry is getting back into the minds of the general public (the 9/11 benefit books, the homosexuality issue in Green Lantern and the Spider-Man film). If comic books become acceptable, you can bet a dime that there will be people (aka vultures) who would decry them as being bad influences among kids. A double-edged sword, it is.

Fortunately, we have the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, which protects the free speech of people who make, sell and, most importantly, buy comic books.

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#504816 - 08/19/02 01:35 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Fuck zoning laws, fuck 60-40, fuck Giuliani and whoever his equivalent is in Dallas. So the store is near a school, cry me a river. Maybe that was the only place the owner could get affordable business space, I don't know what properties are like in Dallas. He made sure to keep all that stuff off-limits to kids, so he took care of his end of things. Moralists tend to use children to get their way and as an excuse to throw their weight around, like the fat skank who tried to pick a fight with me on the subway because I took a seat(the only one left) next to her child. The child wasn't bothered, but the woman starts swearing and making threats at me for no reason. What kind of message is SHE sending to her daughter? Look censors, the world is not all ages. Vendors carry what sells. You don't like it go live with the Taliban, they don't allow tv's or radios, so I'm sure Japanese porn comics are out of the question as well. mad
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#504817 - 08/19/02 01:39 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Ah, there's the rage!

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#504818 - 08/19/02 01:45 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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You're telling me, Dan. Jenny's right on! laugh

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#504819 - 08/19/02 04:40 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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This case has nothing to do with morality or protecting children, and it's certainly light-years away from any legal or reasonable restrictions on pornography. The Dallas police department is in the habit of routinely arresting clerks - not owners or managers - at porn shops and other stores that carry "adult" products. Typically, the jury is sufficiently indignant at the very sight of porn to make a conviction, regardless of what the Constitution or the law recommends. Hence the prosecutor in this case urging the jury to ignore evidence and testimony.

These convictions do nothing to stop the sale of porn. They do not shut down the stores or do more than briefly inconvenience their owners; the stores, mind you, are fully licensed by the state of Texas and have legal permission to sell adult products. The only people made to pay fines or serve jail time are the clerks, who were, after all, only doing their jobs. The entire scam exists for one purpose only: to allow city officials to claim, come election time, that they're tough on smut. Look at all the pornographers they convicted!

There are actual porn stores within walking distance of the school in question, none of which were prosecuted. Rumor on the Warren Ellis Forum has it that the comic-book store was targeted because a customer with political connections was angry about the price of imported Pokemon cards.

Besides being unconstitutional, what's going on in Dallas is corrupt, cynical, and rotten to its very core. No genuine concern for "community values" or "harm to minors" went into the clerk's arrest. Basically, local politicians are harassing and imprisoning innocent counter jockeys, in direct violation of state and federal laws, to spruce up their own reelection campaigns. It makes me sick.

Ooooh yeah. There's the rage.

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#504820 - 08/19/02 04:59 PM Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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North Little Rock just passed a zoning ordinance that says that no "adult insdustry" can be within x number of feet from a school or house of worship.

It's a strange law, in that NLR only had one adult establishment, a strip club that was a few blocks away from a church. And I believe the club was even there first, but I can't confirm that.
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