#505041 - 08/27/02 07:45 PM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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How can we best get everyone involved in the prosecution, from the vile politicians all the way down the ignoramus arresting officer, to lose their jobs and never be able to work in an environment where they can bother someone else again? I'm on board for any suggestions...
Ed
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#505042 - 08/27/02 08:59 PM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Pat's conclusion that Jesus and his co-workers are unable to keep kids out of the Adults Only section is based on precisely no knowledge of how well or poorly Jesus and his co-workers are able to keep kids out of the Adults Only section.
That's really brilliant.
Matthew
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#505043 - 08/27/02 09:02 PM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Mvoid-
Sorry, let me clarify. Keith, Jesus and Mike are keeping the kids out. The chain is more of a boundry marker. The front part has most Marvel, DC, some Image comics, T-Shirts and Toys. The back part, actually 60% of the rest of the store, has everything else. That has the same stuff, plus all of the mature readers stuff. The more mature is at the very back of the store. The only way to get to the back is to have proof of being over 18.
The more adult stuff,i.e. the 'porn' that people order and don't pick up, is kept under the counter hidden away.
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#505044 - 08/28/02 12:34 AM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Originally posted by Mvoid: FP, I'm not having this exact same argument about the 1st amendment with you again. It only guarantees that you can speak. Technically, it only guarantees that he can type.
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#505045 - 08/28/02 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by Bill Lange:
Hi,
Actually, concidering the Comicon board a community, and since this community has it's standards, no, you can't have your 1st amendment right. We see no art in your arguement. Therefore, you and Pat must spend 3 months in the gutters. God have mercy on your souls.
Bill Lange There are no standards in Comicon unless Mr. Conley or Mr. Veitch impose them. What is this "we" kemosabe?
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#505046 - 08/28/02 08:59 AM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Originally posted by Samuel Catalino:
There are no standards in Comicon unless Mr. Conley or Mr. Veitch impose them.
What is this "we" kemosabe? Hi, We, being the majority of posters to this thread. Don't make us have to smack you down too, Mister. Bill Lange
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#505047 - 08/28/02 09:51 AM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Restricted access and age verification for cigarette purchases are federally required and apply to all state jurisdictions.
The last I heard, North Carolina was still in the Union. What's required and what's done in practice may be two very different things.
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#505048 - 08/28/02 10:01 AM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Since Keith's moved I've been trying to remember how the old store was set up. The adult stuff was at the very back of the store. There was a doorway to enter that could be viewed from the register area. It was basically a little room they built. On the outside was boxes of back issues and the inside shelves of the 'adult' stuff. Which ranged from the manga to some Fantagraphics stuff.
When they moved into the new store, they divided the store into two sections. All-ages (under 18) is at the front of the store and everything else (above 18) is at the back. The two sections are divided by a plastic chain, more symbolic than anything else. They've been real good at keeping those kids out. Gee, it's Wednesday afternoon, all the new books are out, the store is crowded, I'm working the register and it's also my job to keep an eye on that adult section at the back of the store. Yeah, I know where my attention is, you betcha! Like I said, keeping minors out of that section under those circumstances is a joke.
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#505049 - 08/28/02 10:07 AM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Originally posted by Pat ONeill:
Gee, it's Wednesday afternoon, all the new books are out, the store is crowded, I'm working the register and it's also my job to keep an eye on that adult section at the back of the store.
Yeah, I know where my attention is, you betcha! Like I said, keeping minors out of that section under those circumstances is a joke. And yet they managed it just fine. In over a decade of doing business, there were no complaints, no incidents. Not a one. The problem wasn't the kids. It never was the kids. The problem was the adults. The only "joke" is that politicos cynically waved the non-existent threat to "the children" around, hoping the suckers would be taken in. The DA dismissed the notion of comics as entertainment for adults, hoping the suckers would be taken in. And they were. Because the passage of twelve minutes, as is usually the case, resulted in the birth of twelve suckers, and as it so happened, they were on the jury. They were taken in because they were suckers, Pat. Non-existent threat. Non-existent problem. And a retailer faces jail time. They. Were. Suckers. And others can be taken in as well. But in my opinion, that doesn't reflect well on their time of birth. PAD
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#505050 - 08/28/02 10:08 AM
Re: CBLDF Appeals Texas Retailer Conviction
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Registered: 05/25/01
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Mvoid,
Boy, Texas has somekind of different jury selection system than the rest of the country if the defense can't be part of the selection process. I mean how could the prosecutor place twelve "closed-minded" people on the jury without the defense attorney being there. What a minute. That's it. The consperacy thickens. The defense attorney was involved to convict Jesus as well. The bastard. Let's see. So far the consperacy has the Dallas DA, a Dallas police supervisor, a Dallas police office, the judge (how else do you let twelve "closed-minded" people on the jury), the twelve "closed-minded" people, the defense attorney so far. The future members could be the Texas Court of Appeals, the Texas Superme Court, U.S. Court of Appeals and the U.S. Superme Court. Let them all burn in hell.
As for this is a losing case, most appeals on criminal case's lose unless there is a gross error or abuse by the police. And from what I've seen from the CBLDF new release's, they don't win that many case's on appeal.
Isn't is amazing when most of the "open minded," "enlightned," or the so called "intellectual's" have someone who disagrees with them resorts to calling them "closed minded." "How dare they oppose my enlightned view. I'm right and refuse to see the other sides point of view. I don't care about what the other person thinks because they are closed minded because they disagree with me."
I'm not saying you're right or wrong nor am I saying that I'm right or wrong. All I want is what was presented in court before I make my decision if Jesus was wrongly convicted or not. I'm not going to go by what CBLDF thinks or any newspaper says. I'm going to make my own decission. But wait a minute. That wouldn't fall in line with Mvoid's point of view. I must follow what Mvoid says or I will not be open minded. We all must follow Mvoid. Mvoid is God. All hail Mvoid.
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