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#506758 - 01/16/03 07:06 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO AL QUEDA?!?!?!?!

We were initial told that Al Queda was responsible for the planes on 9/11. So we sent our troops to Afghanastan to wipe out the Al Queda training sites. Then, we decided to do a "two-for-one" and wipe out the Taliban, since they had cut production of the poppy flower. Then we had the "Taliban on the run", does anyone remember these headlines? We were also told that Osama Bin Laden was the head of Al Queda. Is anyone looking for him? confused Between the Bush administration looking for Bin Laden and O.J. Simpson looking for the killer of Nicole and Ron, I don't know who is worst.

Now we are looking to oust, er, I mean assassinate Sadam and it has nothing to do with the vast oil supply wink . Okay :rolleyes:

Excellent thread, we are all not lost in our comic books.

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#506759 - 01/16/03 07:44 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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And could somebody please explain to me how a dusty 15 year old crate of EMPTY missile casings is a substantial breach? Does anyone think the US Government can account for every single crate of hot flaming death in it's possesion? Hell, they've lost POUNDS of weapons grade plutonium alone.

It rings very hollow internationally when The US refuses to sign international treaties against landmines and bio-weapons and then seeks to justify war because someone else MIGHT have such weapons.

Saddam is a sonofabitch, but when members of the administration openly refer to Iraqi oil reserves and oilfields as 'spoils of war', the mask has slipped. There are still alternatives, like letting the Inspectors do their job and respecting multilateralism. What are the odds?
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#506760 - 01/16/03 08:50 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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...seeks to justify war because someone else MIGHT have such weapons.


Saddam lost the first war and has not lived up to the terms of the cease fire. That we let him slide in the 90's does not change the fact that he is still responsible for those terms. This administration is now pressing him to comply.


(Hey Jug, I just use the first name because he's not worth remembering how to spell the last.)

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#506761 - 01/16/03 09:09 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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It's not about violated terms. Which I readily concede Saddam could have violated. There are lots of states violating the terms of UN resolutions.

It's not about weapons of mass destruction - which he certainly could have, and which the Administration could have concrete knowledge about. - to quote another Bill Hicks once again: "How do we know they have weapons of mass destruction? We checked the receipt."

It's not about the way he treats his own people or how he treats the Kurds. The US Government didn't care about them when Saddam was convenient. They don't care about them now.

What's it all about? All together folks...

It's about the oil.
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#506762 - 01/16/03 09:25 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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Duh, really?
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#506763 - 01/16/03 09:53 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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Not UN resolutions, surrender terms.

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#506764 - 01/16/03 09:55 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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It aint about them either.
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#506765 - 01/16/03 10:30 PM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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It absolutely is. The US has never denied that the Gulf War was largely about oil. Oil is power and Saddam simply cannot be permitted to have that much power. Just as it was the case in the 80's that Iran could not be permitted to have that much power. That's why we supported Iraq in their war with Iran. Not because we thought he was a swell guy and we would never have to deal with him in the future. It's a legitimate world security issue.

Look, I just had to chip in when you said we "seek to justify war because someone else MIGHT have such weapons." Saddam is forbidden to have such weapons, due to his own actions. Continuing the war is justified. You guys don't like it. I have no problem with it. We disagree.

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#506766 - 01/17/03 09:43 AM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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korvac... my misguided friend, it is becoming more and more apparent to me that you have read one too many OP-ED pieces spewwed out by liberal minded european socialists!!! If you dont like or agree with American politics, the solution is simple... stay out of them!! you being a Canadian citizen i have no earthly idea why you find it imperative to bog your mind down with the inner-workings of our poitical/military matters. I, being a U.S. citizen would greatly appreciate it if you would direct some of your discontent/anger at the U.N. or some other organization in which Canada actually has a vote. Why every opinionated person in the world thinks they know what is best, or right for America to be doing is beyond understanding to me. We have the best intelligence, political structure, military and economy in the universe... i can rest easy knowing that my leaders are "fully" informed about potential threats, "carefully" planning our future actions, and "steadfastly" gaurding our national security and interests. when you or any other editorial writer gets better information/sources than the President has at his disposal, well thens the day i start actually listening to some of that crap you spew!
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#506767 - 01/17/03 11:48 AM Re: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, and I'll bomb you"
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Originally posted by justapilgrim32:
korvac... my misguided friend, it is becoming more and more apparent to me that you have read one too many OP-ED pieces spewwed out by liberal minded european socialists!!! If you dont like or agree with American politics, the solution is simple... stay out of them!! you being a Canadian citizen i have no earthly idea why you find it imperative to bog your mind down with the inner-workings of our poitical/military matters. I, being a U.S. citizen would greatly appreciate it if you would direct some of your discontent/anger at the U.N. or some other organization in which Canada actually has a vote. Why every opinionated person in the world thinks they know what is best, or right for America to be doing is beyond understanding to me. We have the best intelligence, political structure, military and economy in the universe... i can rest easy knowing that my leaders are "fully" informed about potential threats, "carefully" planning our future actions, and "steadfastly" gaurding our national security and interests. when you or any other editorial writer gets better information/sources than the President has at his disposal, well thens the day i start actually listening to some of that crap you spew!


Yeah, Korvac! The whole world would be better if citizens of countries never paid attention to anything outside their own borders! Especially when the people in those other countries are so well informed they think the US has the "best economy in the universe!"

Pilgrim, this country is based on the idea that everyone can have an opinion, anyone can voice dissent with government policies, even a Canadian. That anyone is taking the time to learn about politics even a little before shooting his mouth off on a message board is a good thing. Out of curiosity, can you name a single member of the Canadian government?

Korvac, I don't agree with everything you're saying, but I do appreciate the discussion. Don't let guys like Pilgrim get away with their "if you don't agree with me then shut up" attitude. He might do well to review his signature.
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