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#530679 - 12/08/08 11:41 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: Alexander Ness]
Joe Lee Offline
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Michael Naugle is a real estate salesman? I figured he was in the military or a fireman, or construction worker what with saying shit like...

"I don't know about you Joe, but I work hard to earn my money."

"I guess you don't value your hard earned money the way I value mine."

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#530719 - 12/09/08 02:03 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: Joe Lee]
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Pat, I received the art. Thank you.

You can all talk about me as you wish to, please note that I will not be posting on this message board again, nor reading any posts.

And by the way 'Joe Lee', those quotes you have below your last post, I didn't type those. (really, go check. It was "Silent Fox") These last few days have been first time really posting on a message board, and I may not know much, but if I were you and you want to "zing" another poster with a smart ass comment, I would fact check first, post second, not the other way around.

But hey, that's just me.

Cheers!
_________________________
Yo.

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#530722 - 12/09/08 02:13 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: naugle.michael]
Lawson Offline
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Originally Posted By: naugle.michael
You can all talk about me as you wish to, please note that I will not be posting on this message board again, nor reading any posts.


Your mother's a whore!

(Waiting, waiting ...)

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#530723 - 12/09/08 02:13 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: naugle.michael]
techmann Offline
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Michael
Feel free to join in anytime you’d like.
And let me; once again, take the well deserved blame for what I contributed to this hard ordeal.
Pat

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#530724 - 12/09/08 02:27 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: naugle.michael]
Joe Lee Offline
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Originally Posted By: naugle.michael

And by the way 'Joe Lee', those quotes you have below your last post, I didn't type those. (really, go check. It was "Silent Fox") These last few days have been first time really posting on a message board, and I may not know much, but if I were you and you want to "zing" another poster with a smart ass comment, I would fact check first, post second, not the other way around.

But hey, that's just me.

Cheers!


Actually I was assuming you and silent fox were the same person.

And it's interesting to see you have more concern for standards regarding "zings" than you do your less than professional conduct dealing with resolving business transactions.

But hey, what more could you expect from a sales guy.


Edited by Joe Lee (12/09/08 02:29 PM)

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#530731 - 12/09/08 03:26 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: Joe Lee]
necrotechno Offline
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I was assuming *you* and Silent Fox were the same person.
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And here slip I, dragging one foot in the gutter...

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#530739 - 12/09/08 04:16 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: necrotechno]
Joe Lee Offline
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I was thinking that too, until I quickly pointed out to me how silly that would be. But, then I thought how suspiciously quickly I had denied it, so then I started thinking it might actually be true. But I still haven't been able to figure out how I do it.

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#530752 - 12/09/08 09:32 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: Joe Lee]
Silent Fox Offline
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Registered: 03/31/01
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee

Really. What do you do?


Account manager. Very long hours.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Stevv put it quite well, "If you call someone a hypocrite, you are pretty much by definition undermining their credibility."


I don't see it that way. Even if Mr. Broderick was a hypocrite (not saying he is), it wouldn't make his own grievance with DC any less valid. It would simply make him look like.. a hypocrite

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
This was not "drift" nor was it a tangent designed to engage the participants in further conversation. It was a private matter.


It was no less private that Pat Broderick's matter with DC. And it IS a drift as both matters involved Broderick so it's really not inappropriate that hey exist in a single topic.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
And one by Michael's own admission WASN'T LATE, they had agreed upon a new deadline, "You know, I promised the man I would give him till' Dec. 5th...so I will keep my mouth shut until that date..."


Oh horse pucky. Are you really going to split hairs that way? A "new" deadline doesn't mean the old ones weren't valid. And Michael didn't really have much choice but to wait did he? He didn't have what he paid for and just because he was gracious enough to extend his patience with a new deadline doesn't make the previous deadline(s) any less valid.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
But obviously Michael doesn't have the integrity to honor his own words.


Yeah, he didn't "shut up" about it prior to the 5th as he said he would so I'll give you that much. Still, his later posts were to defend himself from those ripping him a new one for having the audacity to post a personal grievance within a thread posting a personal grievance. It's hard to keep your mouth shut when your motives are being questioned.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Just as myself and others have the right to point out you and michael are wrong.


Except that I am not wrong, and I have explained why.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee

Many people have gone to the trouble of explaining why they disagree with you and it is not that we, "want to trivialize it simply because it doesn't involve some big evil corporation,"


Oh? So "some fanboy getting a sketch a little later than he'd hoped." is NOT trivializing anything? And since you seem to know so much about it, tell me, was it in fact just a sketch? And how much did Michael pay for it? And exactly how late was it? Since you were so quick to dismiss it as a fanboy getting a sketch, am sure you can answer those questions.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
if you are going to defend the man's action at least respect the arguments against it by reading them.


I have read them. See above.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Carlton stated it very well when he said, "This really isn't the place to air your personal problems with Mr. Broderick. If you have business of this nature to conduct with him, please do it via e-mail. As it is, it's coming off as if you're trying to shame him publically, and that's really ugly of you."


Again, apples and oranges. Did Broderick not come here to air HIS personal problems with DC? Did Broderick conduct HIS business with DC via email? Is Broderick not trying to shame DC publically? Michael's actions are no more or less "ugly" than Broderick's.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
You and Michael obviously don't see any difference in the topic at hand and his unprofessional tactic so we'll just have to agree to disagree here.


And you obviously feel Broderick's tactics in posting this very thread is somehow the pillar of professionalism while the same tactics of another is not? I guess we will indeed have to agree to disagree.

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#530753 - 12/09/08 09:34 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: Charles Reece]
Silent Fox Offline
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Originally Posted By: Charles Reece
There's some piss-poor communication between Pat and Michael, for sure. But without getting into their problem, I'd like to abstract from it the issue of whether there's a difference between making complaints about a bad corporate behavior and bad one-on-one business transactions. On that, I disagree with you and Carlton: if a person is selling a service and isn't meeting his commitments after taking your money, then that's a legitimate thing to complain about publicly.


Precisely. I'm glad somebody here actually GETS that.

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#530755 - 12/09/08 09:42 PM Re: DC screws it creators [Re: techmann]
Silent Fox Offline
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Originally Posted By: techmann
As to the specifics of my contract I have posted all that I wish to post.


That's understandable as it's nobody's business but yours. But with all due respect, you did come here to boldly proclaim you were being "screwed" by DC and it's only natural that some of us would be interested in the actual facts to support that.

Again I don't doubt DC has screwed creators and I am not saying you weren't screwed by them but there are two sides to everything and some of us like to have both sides of the story before we reach for the pitchforks and light the torches.

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