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#535338 - 02/01/09 09:25 AM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: techmann]
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DC’s response, to my attorney, was that we were free to pursue this matter, in the county in New York State where the company is registered. So here’s how this would be played out: I, we, travel to New York State.I, we pay for a room for myself and my attorney after a court date is set, a date agreeable by both opposing legal teams, and present our case. They, DC’s legal team, will ask for an extension to a date further down the calendar road. And a return trip by us to once again present our case. Where one of their attorneys will ask for another extension due to the vast amount of paper work which needs to be reviewed. Anyone who’s’ ever been there knows how this is played. But the one thing which I have going for me is that I have an extended family and will gladly pass the battle down to both my children and grandchildren. It will not just go away with my death. And as of next week I’ll only be 55 so I’ll still have plenty of time to push this thorn deeper. And if the time comes, pass the ball off to my children and grandchildren. So, in the meantime, keeping it in the public forums is a great tool and they hate negative publicity. So here I am. Pat Broderick I think you are going about this the wrong way. Life is too short to spend it with lawyers fighting for something like this. It's expensive and a drain on the wallet. The episode on TV will be long forgotten in the public's mind before you settle this with DC behind closed doors. At best you will guarantee that the character never gets used again. You will also be accused of being petty and vindictive even if that perspective is completely wrong. I think this battle is one that would be fought better with the attitude that they are beneath you for even flattering you with the theft of your creative ideas.I think you'd do better to pull in other creators and go public with the mistreatment in some kind of newspaper article. The more creators that you could get to chime in, the more clout it gives you. The threat of legal action and bad publicity is far more intimidating to them than the actual act of suing them. If you take this to court, you are giving them a mental focus and a means for them to attack you financially. By building your case with the mass media and public opinion, you give them no focal point by which to fight you back. Defiant1
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#535359 - 02/01/09 12:36 PM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: Defiant1]
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If I was a DC lawyer, I'd question the DESIGN (as Pat capitalized it) aspect in regards to the contract pertaining to other media uses.
How is it, i.e. design, defined by an artist? The look of the character, naturally. Did the character in the TV episode resemble at all like the character in the comic in question?
If not, you don't have a case.
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#535426 - 02/02/09 02:55 AM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Registered: 12/18/01
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The Comics Journal # 239, Page 90
From John Byrne's Cross-Examination
MICHAEL DILIBERTO (Wolfman's attorney): So, it's fair to say that you are generally known as somebody who revamps the major iconic characters that have already been created by other creators?
JOHN BYRNE: Some I revamp. Some I have merely worked on. I like playing with the old toys.
DILIBERTO: In fact, in your opinion a character is not a real character unless someone like Jack Kirkby creates that character?
BYRNE: No, that's not true. That's not what I said. I said that Alpha Flight were not real in my mind because they weren't created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. That was specific to Alpha Flight.
DILIBERTO: But your preference is to work on preexisting major iconic characters created by other persons other than your yourself?
BYRNE: It would depend on the circumstance.
DILIBERTO: Would you rather work on Alpha FLight or the Jack Kirby character?
BYRNE: Of those two, I would rather work on a Jack Kirby.
DILIBERTO: It's fair to say that Jack Kirby characters are preexisting iconic characters?
BYRNE: Yes, indeed. But if you said Devil Dinosaur or a character I created myself, I would say a character I created myself. Devil Dinosaur is a character created by Jack Kirby.
DILIBERTO: You have earned over ten million dollars at Marvel?
BYRNE: That's probably fair.
DILIBERTO:If you had a chance that you would have to create your own character that wouldn't earn any money and a preexisting iconic character for which you could earn $10 million over 20 years, would it be fair to say you would rather work on a character of someone other than yourself?
BYRNE: If we are doing it on money, the largest royalty I have ever received was for Alpha Flight.
DILIBERTO: During your career, you earned $20 million from others than Alpha Flight?
BYRNE: Right. I should point out that I did not earn ten million specifically from Marvel. I would say ten million probably in the course of my career. I have made four or five million doing the Nextmen, which I created to own at Dark Horse.
DILIBERTO: You worked also at DC on other existing, preexisting iconic characters?
BYRNE: I like working on the iconic characters, if that's what you are going for. Yes.
DILIBERTO: We don't dispute that. Between Marvel and DC, where you were working, $20 million is a fair assessment?
BYRNE: You said ten.
DILIBERTO: Ten million over 20 years?
BYRNE: Ten million over 20 years is probably fair.
DILIBERTO: How much of that ten million is Marvel? Five or six or seven million?
BYRNE: Yes. Well, again, it would hard to break it down. I made a lot of money doing Superman. That wasn't for Marvel. I probably made a couple million dollars doing Superman.
DILIBERTO: Let's look at Marvel. Five or six or seven million?
BYRNE: Five maybe over the full 25 years of my career, I probably made five.
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#535427 - 02/02/09 02:58 AM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: jwyatt]
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Registered: 12/18/01
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John Byrne Byrne Robotics CEO
I don't usually like to talk numbers, but for ALPHA FLIGHT I make an exception as there is a cute story to go along with it. ALPHA FLIGHT 1 sold just over 500,000 copies, the highest any comic had seen in quite a while, at that point. The "double-sized" issue sold for one dollar, and by the time Marvel got done whittling away at the numbers, my royalty for the issue was $29,998. This was the largest royalty paid to anyone up to that point. It was also the biggest number the gals in Accounting had seen on a check going out to a freelancer. So big, that somewhere along the way, somebody decided it must be a typo, so the check I was actually sent was for $2998. They dropped the middle 9.
Most freelancers would go ballistic if something like that happened, but knowing it was going to be a substantial check, I had been expecting some kind of glitch, so I was not really surprised. I called Millie, the head of the accounting department, and very calmly told her what I thought had happened. She confirmed the real number, and another check was sent out immediately, bringing the payment up to the proper level.
A side effect of this was that the gals in accounting, who were used to being yelled at by freelancers, all fell completely in love with me. I became their favorite freelancer of all time. I rarely saw Millie, from that point on, but that she would come over and give me a big hug and tell anyone within earshot what a prince I was!
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#535428 - 02/02/09 03:03 AM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: jwyatt]
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Registered: 12/18/01
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According to my original ALPHA FLIGHT contract, I'm supposed to get 1% of everything, be it reprints, toys, movies, cartoons, you name it. The reality, however, is that I have not received so much as a dime since I left the book.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17134
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#535474 - 02/02/09 04:22 PM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: GeorgeGebhardt]
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If I was a DC lawyer, I'd question the DESIGN (as Pat capitalized it) aspect in regards to the contract pertaining to other media uses.
How is it, i.e. design, defined by an artist? The look of the character, naturally. Did the character in the TV episode resemble at all like the character in the comic in question?
If not, you don't have a case. It looks pretty obvious that the CW network wanted people to think it was THE DC comics character... According to Kryptonsite, the The CW's Official Description of the episode, "DC COMICS CHARACTER PLASTIQUE BLASTS INTO METROPOLIS; DAVIS BLOOME ARRIVES IN SMALLVILLE — It's Clark's (Tom Welling) first day at the Daily Planet with Louis (Erica Durance), and the pair are immediately thrown together on a story when a bus explodes outside the office. Clark rescues Bette (guest star Jessica Parker Kennedy), a young girl who bonds with Chloe (Allison Mack) over their shared meteor abilities, but Bette is hiding a big secret. Paramedic Davis Bloom (Sam Witwer) arrives in Metropolis and is drawn to Chloe." http://www.kryptonsite.com/plastiquedescription.htmA quick google search finds other sites with much the same description... "Plastique: In the comics, Plastique is a villain who first appeared in Fury of Firestorm #7 (Dec. 1982) and was created by Gerry Conway and Pat Broderick." http://www.tv.com/smallville/plastique/episode/1216089/summary.htmlAnd if I recall correctly, I remember reading on the Kryptonsite/Spoilers section about it being the character originally from Firestorm. It seems like that was the impression the CW wanted to have out there, and there is no official comment from DC denying it.
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#535477 - 02/02/09 04:33 PM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: jwyatt]
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Registered: 12/13/07
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To Defiant1 That was the whole point of starting this thread. Better to judge them in the public arena and I will say that it had to have come to the attention of Paul. As I stated he did send a check, made out to my old inc name which they are well aware of the fact that it has been closed down for over ten years. And no, I can’t just try to cash it at my bank for two reasons. 1. The bank won’t cash a business check made out to a defunct business. And 2. By the terms of the contract I’m owed a percentage of DC’s earning from that show, not a flat fee without the paperwork showing their earnings. Then my 10 percent, which would come out to well over, a guess of times 5, the amount Paul wrote, keep in mind the amount just qualified to be considered a 4 digit sum. Now, about Carmine; this really sucks, what they’ve both said about him and the income their denying him. Clearly the lady he named, let me change that to woman, is at the heart of all of these problems. She is the reason I’m not allowed to work there. It’s called Black balled. And I’m not the only creator on that non existing list. Its these petty ,small people{ and I’m enjoying the fact that you will read this} who stroke their egos by doing these things that they do to feel both powerful and important. Look ,,for many years both companies pulled talent from each other, standard business, even if a creator had a falling out with an editor and threatened to push the editors head through a wall over a comment the editor made about the quality of the work turned in from an over worked artist or inker or writer who accepted the assignment from the same editor who would threaten him with ,1. No other work if you don’t accept this ; or 2. I know that the deadline is in two days, but I know you can pull it off; or 3. You’ve got to save my ass here; I don’t care how it looks. Just please get it in or I’m done here. You might lean toward saying that the freelancer can still refuse the job. But when you’ve seen them do this to other creators, you know that they’ll do it to you. You’ve got bills to pay, and mouths to feed. You put up with it until you do what I did. Put you two feet into the ground. Tell the editor that you’d rather be penciling Captain Planet for Marvel than to continue working on Rag Man and Green Lantern and put up with one more day of his bull shit Captain Planet to Alpha Flight to Doom 2099, to one issue of Spiderman to an issue of the Punisher to the I bots to the revenant to Tracy Lock and Partners in Dallas to Jimmy Neutron to Future comics to teaching to Fantagraphics to Bluewater comics. Nope, I’ve never regretted that decision at all. Pat.
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#535484 - 02/02/09 06:24 PM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: techmann]
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Registered: 12/02/03
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Nope, I’ve never regretted that decision at all. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
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#535488 - 02/02/09 06:46 PM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: necrotechno]
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Registered: 09/17/03
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Loc: Minnesota
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Nope, I’ve never regretted that decision at all. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. which emoticon is sarcastic face?
Edited by Alexander Ness (02/02/09 06:47 PM) Edit Reason: cause I cannot spell worth shit
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#535490 - 02/02/09 07:29 PM
Re: DC screws it creators
[Re: Alexander Ness]
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Registered: 12/02/03
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which emoticon is sarcastic face? I don't know. Let's find out. -- DC screws its creators!  No, DC makes love to its creators.  Yes, but a lot of them are married. And not, like, to each other.  It's okay, they're all consenting adults.  But some people still get their feelings hurt.  Better to haved loved and lost, as they say...  But there's money involved! It's not really LOVE at all!  What's love got to do with it? What's love but a secondhand emotion?  Funny you should ask. Tina never had deadline troubles when Ike was around. If you catch my drift...  You're threatening me with violence?  No, no. Nothing like that. Just take the money and go.  When you put it like that I feel so... cheap and used inside.  Oh, come on now. You know we're still friends.  I can never stay angry with you.  Well, I *do* sign the checks!  Had to take the conversation back in that direction, didn't you?  This is getting tiresome.  ...so, uh, when did you need those pages?  -- And I still don't know which one is the sarcastic smiley.
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