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#537577 - 02/26/09 11:25 AM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: Lawson]
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The biggest thing working against Jindal for me is he's a creationist. Sorry I know some in these parts believe the fairy tale of Adam and Eve, but I'd rather not have someone who does with their finger on the button.
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#537579 - 02/26/09 11:38 AM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: snoid]
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Originally Posted By: snoid
The biggest thing working against Jindal for me is he's a creationist.


It is alarming in the 21st century to consider a president of the United States who believes in talking snakes and magical deities who whisper instructions into his brain.

Because we just, y'know, said goodbye to one.

And that didn't work out so well.

Obama says he's a God-fearing Christian, but he's such an intelligent and skeptical man that I wonder how much of his religion is a put-on, a charade he has to go through to get elected to office. He found a church in Chicago around the time he decided to enter politics. The Obama who talks about frightened, forgotten Americans clinging to their religion and guns is probably the real Obama, and the Obama who talks sense.

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#537580 - 02/26/09 11:46 AM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
Obama says he's a God-fearing Christian, but he's such an intelligent and skeptical man that I wonder how much of his religion is a put-on, a charade he has to go through to get elected to office. He found a church in Chicago around the time he decided to enter politics. The Obama who talks about frightened, forgotten Americans clinging to their religion and guns is probably the real Obama, and the Obama who talks sense.


I'd think you are right about about Obama.
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#537583 - 02/26/09 01:08 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: snoid]
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Damn, I put a good 5-10 minutes into articulating my angle on this and then had the whole thing vaporize. That's what I get for using the quick reply box.

Short version: I think he's as sincere as any average American Christian is. Make of that what you will, maybe I'll come back to it later.

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#537585 - 02/26/09 01:13 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: madget]
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It's disappointing that any politician has to play up the religious angle to get elected -- either pretending to believe in God or at least acting more devout than he really is -- but it's also sadly necessary. Most voters in the U.S. would reject a religious skeptic.

Meanwhile, they happily re-elected a true Christian who said Jesus told him to invade Iraq. frown

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#537688 - 02/27/09 12:35 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts here. [Re: THE Anti-Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: THE Anti-Hunter
Fuck, that's the GOP response right? Can any Republican on this board honestly make a case for why their party constantly seems to be in the fucking way of the progess of this country?
Trust me. I'm seriously interested. Instead of wife swapping, I'd rather see Bi-Partisan swapping. I don't even know what the fuck they stand for anymore.
What I do know is that when they speak, it's like they're not talking to me, but some other guy who owns the company.


I'm not a Republican but as a NeoCon I tend to vote that way and just what is it that you are so in love with Government Spending. The Obama speech was a yawn were it not for the price tag that is being added on to this throw everything we can at the economy and hope it recovers approach. That's not progress that's just wiping your arse with other people's money and saying it's just paper.

"Though the budget predicts that the economy will recover in 2010, spending will still be 24.1% of GDP that year, and the budget proposes that spending will remain higher than 22% for the entire next decade even as the defense budget steadily declines." - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123569611695588763.html

Sure the Repulicans have a host of problems and like the speech's gee-willikers wouldn't it be great to have education,health care coverage and no dependence on Oil but that's a distraction from the hole that Obama is digging for the rest of America.


"PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
It's an agenda that begins with jobs. As soon as I took office, I asked
this Congress to send me a recovery plan by President's Day that would put
people back to work and put money in their pockets. Not because I believe
in bigger government. I don't. Not because I'm not mindful of the
massive debt we've inherited. I am. I called for action because the
failure to do so would have cost more jobs and caused more hardship. In
fact, a failure to act would have worsened our long-term deficit by
assuring weak economic growth for years. And that's why I pushed for
quick action. And tonight, I am grateful that this Congress delivered,
and pleased to say that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is now
law."

ehm - Bullshit Mr President.
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#537689 - 02/27/09 12:38 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts here. [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson

Meanwhile, they happily re-elected a true Christian who said Jesus told him to invade Iraq. frown


I thought that was Dick Cheney that told him smile Good thing he listened too.
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#537691 - 02/27/09 12:46 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts here. [Re: X-height]
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Originally Posted By: X-height
[just what is it that you are so in love with Government Spending.


You oppose government spending, so you trot out the governor of Louisiana, which is a serious welfare state that has collected billions of dollars in federal aid in recent years for everything from social services to hurricane reconstruction?

According to the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, Louisiana gets $1.78 in federal spending for every $1 it contributes in federal taxes, making it the fourth-biggest mooch off Uncle Sam's sugar tit of all 50 states.

In fact, nearly all of the Southern states that whine and moan about the "fed'ral gub'mint" and taxes actually take far more money from Washington than they contribute. The New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco metro areas are carrying the welfare-collecting asses of their Southern conservative brethen. Mississippi should send Manhattan a Thank You card every year on April 15. Louisiana should get down on its knees each morning and praise God for creating San Francisco, with all of its wealthy gay people.

Government spending may or may not be a good thing, but nobody south of the Mason-Dixon line has any credibility when they attack it. None. They scream about the dad'blamed gub'mint on their way to the mailbox to get this month's SSI disability check, food stamps and Medicaid handouts.

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#537694 - 02/27/09 01:15 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts here. [Re: Lawson]
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I trot out who? I did no such thing.

So you are wrong from the very start. I believe you are talking about the Republican party Lawson. Now if only pointing out hypocrisy could actually solve problems we might get somewhere.


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#537696 - 02/27/09 01:39 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: snoid]
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Originally Posted By: snoid
The biggest thing working against Jindal for me is he's a creationist. Sorry I know some in these parts believe the fairy tale of Adam and Eve, but I'd rather not have someone who does with their finger on the button.


I love you Snoid, you sexy beast!

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