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#538414 - 03/11/09 05:25 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: X-height]
MBunge Offline
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Originally Posted By: X-height
It's really simple MB when your corrupt buddies have IOU's that were worked out when you weren't in complete control you don't mess with it. That's the half-truth that we got from his claim that the budget was last year's biz. The other half truth was taking the high road on earmarks when they are not needed anymore because you don't need to write any IOUs.


Why did the Dems need to write IOUs when they were the minority but not when they're the majority? There is another election coming up, you know? And why did the GOP not simply stop the Dems from writing those IOUs when they controlled the Congress? And how are earmarks the equivalent of IOUs anyway? And how do the many, many, many Republican earmarks fit into this paranoid fantasy of yours?

Mike

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#538428 - 03/12/09 03:37 AM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: X-height]
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Europe's capitalist hell hole.

No one would do business there, then.

After all, it must be so risky.


Originally Posted By: X-height
Just what again makes the Swedish and Chinese economic systems so very different?


Sweden, and China. Spot the difference.

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#538431 - 03/12/09 10:43 AM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: stevv]
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per the links-
"However, Sweden has some of the lowest scores worldwide in fiscal freedom and government size. The wealth tax has been abolished, but taxes are still a huge burden. The top income tax rate of 57 percent is one of the highest in the world. Total government spending is still more than half of GDP. The labor market's inflexible regulations have caused the labor freedom score to dip below the world average."
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#538432 - 03/12/09 11:23 AM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: X-height]
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Originally Posted By: X-height
per the links-
"However, Sweden has some of the lowest scores worldwide in fiscal freedom and government size. The wealth tax has been abolished, but taxes are still a huge burden. The top income tax rate of 57 percent is one of the highest in the world. Total government spending is still more than half of GDP. The labor market's inflexible regulations have caused the labor freedom score to dip below the world average."


So, you'd be happier living in a tyrannical shithole as long as taxes are low and there's no "labor freedom"? Why don't you just move to Sudan and make everybody happy?

Mike

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#538442 - 03/12/09 01:40 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: MBunge]
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Sigh.

The two points at issue in the passage X-height quotes are fiscal freedom and government size. These are also the Heritage Foundation's complaints about America:

"Weaknesses remain in fiscal freedom and government size. Total government spending equals more than a third of GDP. Corporate and personal taxes are high and increasingly uncompetitive."

But they don't have these complaints about China. In fact, the points they've awarded to China for these two areas far outstrip the US.

X-height, in trying to show us that Sweden is like China, has shown us an opinion that says Sweden is very much like the United States. Why? Honestly, I have absolutely no idea. I'd like to think it's for my amusement, but I doubt it.

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#538445 - 03/12/09 03:32 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: Dan Carroll]
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I'm gonna assume X didn't even read through that info (let alone give it any serious consideration) other than to quickly find some part he could quote out of context to make Sweden's economy look more like what he thinks China's is like. Thus allowing him to continue his fatuous argument that the nations of "Socialist Europe" are more like China than they are like other western industrialised nations (e.g. Australia, the USA).

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#538447 - 03/12/09 04:53 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: stevv]
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Sadly what america is becoming under the big O.
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#538448 - 03/12/09 05:03 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: X-height]
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As opposed to the Dickensian dystopia we were headed towards under the little B.
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#538450 - 03/12/09 05:24 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: X-height]
MBunge Offline
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Originally Posted By: X-height
Sadly what america is becoming under the big O.


I'll say this for you, you raise the level of disconnection from reality to heights unseen by modern eyes. Not only does that statement have nothing to do with America right now and no contact with the way America has been the last 8 years, it's also delightfuly ignorant that "We're becoming like Sweden! Sweden!" is utterly useless as a call to arms.

Mike

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#538451 - 03/12/09 05:31 PM Re: Obama's Address to Congress. Your thoughts her [Re: necrotechno]
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sez you loser. Got your stimulus yet?

Citing anemic job creation numbers unveiled last week, Pelosi said: "We have to keep the door open. . . . The word of the day is confidence. Confidence in our markets, confidence in lending, confidence in our financial institutions."

Wait - the fat cats are now supposed to save us?
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