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#540396 - 04/06/09 03:48 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: necrotechno]
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Originally Posted By: necrotechno
A freestanding interpretation, such as a comic book adaptation or portfolio or movie or modern production of Shakespeare, is its own beast. You don't see one version interspersed with another.


No, any new interpretation is "it's own beast," as well. It's the same thing. Well, very often it is anyway.

The same text, with new artists interpreting the same text.

Originally Posted By: necrotechno
The Frazetta Conan covers are a gray area. Books need covers that attract potential readers' attention, and that bravura pulp style was one method that caught on. Although I certainly would rather he had continued doing comics.


So cover illustrations depicting a scene from the book are a necessary evil? Yet inside illustrations don't "attract potential readers' attention." Despite the fact that the above illustrations for Yeates John Carter book, attracted my attention as well as yours. Hell, you even claimed to be interested in them if they were offered separately from the text.

This is not to say a book on it's own could not attract attention, but how many comics that you buy would you still buy if they were not illustrated?


Edited by Joe Lee (04/06/09 03:49 PM)

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#540402 - 04/06/09 04:17 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
No, any new interpretation is "it's own beast," as well.

You're missing the point that new interpretations are generally not interspersed with the material they're interpreting. You don't see a movie scene play and then the corresponding chapter from the novel play across the screen. Illustrations within a novel are a secondary (and superfluous) interpretation shuffled into the original (and complete) prose.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Yet inside illustrations don't "attract potential readers' attention."

They may well. I'm certain that many people were introduced to Frankenstein through the Wrightson illustrated edition. Doesn't make the illustrations contiguous or necessary to the prose, though.

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Despite the fact that the above illustrations for Yeates John Carter book, attracted my attention as well as yours. Hell, you even claimed to be interested in them if they were offered separately from the text.

Not really. I said it should be offered that way, not that I would buy it. Yeates does excellent sequential work, but his basic drawing style is a bit flat to me. Like a cross between Burne Hogarth and Jason Disbrow. If he did a sequential adaptation, I'd buy it. Although I'd much rather he did something original.
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#540405 - 04/06/09 04:34 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: necrotechno]
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Originally Posted By: necrotechno
I'm certain that many people were introduced to Frankenstein through the Wrightson illustrated edition. Doesn't make the illustrations contiguous or necessary to the prose, though.


Did anyone say it was necessary? The original Frankenstein is fine on it's own merits.

Wrightson's illustrations are necessary to Wrightson's Frankenstein.

You may be right about one thing, Wrightson's Frankenstein may have been some people's introduction to the original text, but I would think many people that purchased Wrightson's Frankenstein were already familiar with the story and may have already owned one or more published versions.

What an illustrator brings to an existing work is his own vision for his own interpretation and if it's successful it's an engaging and entertaining vision, that helps sell that particular edition. Whether it's done with the cooperation and approval of the of the author or whether it's done long after the author's death.

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#540406 - 04/06/09 04:37 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: necrotechno]
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Originally Posted By: necrotechno
Illustrations within a novel are a secondary (and superfluous) interpretation shuffled into the original (and complete) prose.


Or as some might argue, the illustrations compliment the complete and original prose, creating a unique and engaging new experience that didn't exist before with the text alone.

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#540410 - 04/06/09 04:51 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: Joe Lee]
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You say engaging, I say distracting. We disagree. Nothing new here.
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#540440 - 04/06/09 11:36 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: necrotechno]
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Originally Posted By: necrotechno
Nothing new here.


Someone starts a thread. You say "he/she/it sucks," then I say "nuh uh." Yep, nothing new here.

Though apparently we are not special, the whole web is like this too. There was a piece on NPR a few weeks ago about how snarky the people online are and they listed a bunch of topics and communities and didn't even mention comics fanboys. Mentioned some clinical name for it too... something about anonymous message board posters being freed from the inhibitions of face-to-face interaction...

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#540443 - 04/06/09 11:54 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: Joe Lee]
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I keep hearing/reading that hypothesis. But no, I'd say the same things to your face.
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#540445 - 04/07/09 12:02 AM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: necrotechno]
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Me too. I think the people making all these assessments about the hostility online aren't used to normal human interactions. Or at the very least don't care about anything well enough to get into a decent discussion about it...

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#540504 - 04/07/09 09:13 AM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: Joe Lee]
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I think you two have been pretty tame .... smile
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#540540 - 04/07/09 04:07 PM Re: YEATES' TIME WITH JOHN CARTER OF MARS [Re: Jennifer M. Contino]
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I try to be nicer on your side of the board (does this part link from other sites besides Comicon? I notice it has many more people browsing), but we could certainly kick it up a few notches.
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