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#548112 - 06/15/09 11:01 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: eldritch11]
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Originally Posted By: eldritch11
Dude--you don't know anything about sequential art--your comments made no sense to anyone with an I.Q. over 100.

Instead of the ad hominem attack, try rebutting my criticism point-by-point. You can't, because it's all entirely valid.


Originally Posted By: eldritch11
what's your excuse for taking weeks?

I took about eight hours, over the course of three days. When I left, I said the contest was still on and for someone to email me when you and Hunter produced anything. I came back three weeks later, under my old account, when I found my old password list (I took it as a sign). Still neither of you had produced anything. I offered more time. Still nothing. Peter finally posted, so I followed.


Originally Posted By: eldritch11
At least Peter followed the script, somewhat...so, he kinda won.

Did I not declare Peter the winner?
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#548113 - 06/15/09 11:03 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Joe Lee]
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WTF. Why are you going after me again?

Originally Posted By: eldritch11
There's lots of artists out there that I don't like, published or no, but it would never occur to me to fuck with them--either passive-aggressively as you and Joe both have, or hard-on personal vendetta, like Necro. No more negativity, on my part, towards you and Joe--but shit, already--I get it. You think I'm mediocre--but I don't do this shit for you.

I loves me some adulation, but I like constructive crit even better. Comparing me to Necro (we're not even the same species--thank Croist), or calling my shit flat (in Joe's case) isn't helpful.


Flat? Where did I say that?

Listen I don't know why the hell you're painting me with necro, what twice now. I've only ever said one thing negative about you and even that was only because I was angry after you posted the following and for that I'll apologize...

Originally Posted By: eldritch11
I may not be the top of the A-List, but Jesus Mothafuckin' Christ--what did I ever do to piss you off? What's up with you and Joe Lee beyond some need to feel of 'equal stature' to some poor jerk doing an Indy comic, by attempting to piss him off? I mean with Necro, I get it--he's delusional--but what's in it for you? If you don't like it, don't read it, and keep your opinions to yourself--or tell me how to make it better--give advice of practical use, give any plausible expression of erudition to go with your opinion, or shut the fuck up.

Sorry--just tired of the cheap shots, I guess.


I was one of the guys that stood up to necro for what I thought was over-the-line personal attacks on you in the original Green Lama thread.

Again I'll ask you, how do you get passive aggressive or cheap shots or anything negative from everything I've posted in this thread and the Green Lama thread over the last year or so? And why are you lumping me together with him?

And like I said, as far as "equal stature," I've been in publishing for nearly twenty-five years so I wouldn't need to attack you to feel good, and one of the points I've tried to express to necro/allan, is the respect I have, and he should have, for anyone who even gets published.

Seriously dude do you need a score card to keep everybody straight?


Edited by Joe Lee (06/15/09 11:45 PM)

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#548114 - 06/15/09 11:07 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Joe Lee]
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Give him a break, Joe. His father never loved him and his mother dressed him up like a girl until he was eight.
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#548119 - 06/16/09 01:25 AM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: eldritch11]
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Originally Posted By: eldritch11
No more negativity, on my part, towards you and Joe--but shit, already--I get it. You think I'm mediocre--but I don't do this shit for you.

Actually... yes, you do. Both Joe and Peter are paying customers of yours.

Originally Posted By: eldritch11
Comparing me to Necro (we're not even the same species--thank Croist)

Really, now. You're not homosapien? Okay, it hadn't previously occurred to me that you might be lacking opposable thumbs. Makes sense, though.
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#548146 - 06/16/09 12:00 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Just to be clear...

Originally Posted By: eldritch11

I loves me some adulation, but I like constructive crit even better. Comparing me to Necro (we're not even the same species--thank Croist), or calling my shit flat (in Joe's case) isn't helpful.


We were all trying to get necro to do something, instead of just sitting around saying he was better than everyone he disagreed with. My thinking was maybe he'd learn something in the process of actually doing something.

And the comparison you mention...

Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
I think an argument could be made that you do some things better than Hunter or Ritchey. An argument could be made to say they do some things better than you. But I gotta say you're really not clearly "better" than they are. I think You guys are all really close.

So as far as you proving your claims of being "better," my vote, I'd say a tie, I couldn't pick a clear winner.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I did like Peter's layout.


In what way does that sound pissed off? It's an opinion. And I was trying to be diplomatic. And I was talkinging to necro, the purpose wasn't to give you a constructive critique, that you claim to be open to. The purpose was to show necro that even given the most generous interpretation of his work, his work still wasn't any better than the people's work he was disrespectful of.

Hell, in the same paragraph you make it sound like you would be open to a constructive critique, you then rant on about how one vague comment about your work (not even directed to you), was some attempt by me to feel 'equal stature' with you, when you've said much harsher things about yourself.

Either way it was just an opinion. Hell, I get criticized all the time, you can't have any career art without having to hear some sometimes. But in the last 25 years I've learned not to take it personally. And I've got much worse comments than whatever little implied slight you think I was attempting.


Edited by Joe Lee (06/16/09 12:05 PM)

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#548161 - 06/16/09 03:03 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Joe Lee]
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So are you beginning to understand my laying into the self-infatuated moron? The guy has done a hundred pages in 25 years and lords it over everyone else that he's a "professional." That was the 800-pound gorilla on DW.

And despite the fact that I don't even draw anymore, I still draw better than either Ritchey or Hunter. Which is all I was saying.
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#548219 - 06/16/09 10:48 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Well, when he was just attacking you he seemed nice enough.

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#548278 - 06/17/09 09:48 AM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Joe Lee]
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The true villain is revealed!
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#548287 - 06/17/09 01:13 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Hey! Many people argue with you and attack you. It's not only not a bad thing in and of itself, some might even consider it a sign of good character.

Either way, it's not really his fault, you got the poor guy all wound up in the first place, so he was bound to have a few paranoid moments now and again. I'm waiting until he responds, I want to give him a chance to explain himself before I concede anything. I'm sure it's all just some silly misunderstanding.

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#548311 - 06/17/09 05:38 PM Re: Black Terror, WIP. [Re: Joe Lee]
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No, I assure you he is incapable of accepting criticism. Hunter is the same way.


Speaking of Hunter... hey, kid, got that drawing board set up yet?
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