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#556897 - 09/10/09 12:29 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Kirth]
Carlton Donaghe Offline
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I see Erik's post there above and I think, "That Larsen-- the Eternal Optimist!"
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#556899 - 09/10/09 01:24 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Carlton Donaghe]
Joe Lee Offline
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Originally Posted By: Erik Larsen

Paul--seriously--the schtick is getting pretty tired.

Labeling anybody who has a disagreement a "detractor"...

...It alienates people and drives them from your side and your cause.


I remember the first time I tried telling Paul that it makes no sense to dismiss anyone and everyone as a detractor, blah blah blah, credibility, yadda yadda...

Paul basically has the same conversations year after year. You can't be a Byrne fan and express a negative opinion about even one thing he's said without having a detractor agenda. You could be the biggest Byrne fan or even a Byrne Board sycophant but if you argue with Paul on even a minor point, you ARE a Byrne Detractor.

For a while there some of us made up "Detractor" numbers and used them in our signatures. How many years ago was that? And he had already been doing it for years at that point.

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#556901 - 09/10/09 04:20 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Joe Lee]
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This is how he gets attention. That's really all there is to it. He doesn't even believe the stuff he says. He just keeps doing it because it's what gets him attention.
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#556933 - 09/10/09 03:34 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Erik Larsen]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally Posted By: Erik Larsen
It's always kind of funny when guys get into it with Paul because the impression I get it that he thinks he's the final word and has settled any dispute with his witty retorts when, in fact, almost everybody thinks he's a complete idiot and whatever he says carries no weight whatsoever.

I never walk away thing, "man, he sure put me in my place." Instead I'm thinking, "Well, that was a load of crap."


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
One thing you should never, EVER do via the Internet is try to get any sort of impression of what someone may be thinking. It's almost always invariably wrong...as it is in this particular case.

Instead of trying to join in with the detractors (unless, of course, you are THAT desperate) & play with the spotlight, try sticking to what is within your grasp...and it's certainly not the original subject at hand...by far.


Originally Posted By: Erik Larsen
Paul--seriously--the schtick is getting pretty tired.


As is these constant attempts to try to see what's behind the curtain. If certain individuals could try to stick to the subject at hand instead of trying to psychoanalyze someone via the Internet, these conversations would, at worst, become friendly debates.

Originally Posted By: Erik Larsen
Labeling anybody who has a disagreement a "detractor" is as misguided and ill-conceived as McCarthy labeling people who disagreed with him "reds" or racists calling blacks "niggers." It alienates people and drives them from your side and your cause.

You have become a red-baiter.


Is this yet another one of your exaggerations for effect? I do NOT label "anybody who has a disagreement" a detractor. Only those that actually go out of their way to detract (ergo...) are labeled as such.

Originally Posted By: Erik Larsen
We all want there to be good comic books. All of us. If John Byrne is capable of doing good comic books we want that. There is no "us vs. them" here--no "supporters vs. distractors"-- it's not a black and white world we live in, after all-- one can point out that John Byrne drew too many fingers on the Invisible Woman without crossing some imagined line and becomming the enemy. Labeling the enemy is doing far more harm than good.


I see where you're going, but you're barking up the wrong tree (which is why I never endorse Internet Psychology 101). Inasmuch as I don't agree with the tactics of a few hereabouts, I certainly do not see them as "the enemy".

If you REALLY TRY to look at this historically (and objectively), you will see that these "situations" almost invariably begin with me disagreeing & then certain individuals then make this about me (and contrary to popular opinion, this is NEVER my intention).

Originally Posted By: Erik Larsen
And if casting you as a guy with enough of a conviction to believe that your posts have some weight and legitimacy is a mistake, then I humbly apoligize and ask, why then do you reply to anybody?


First off, my posts have as much weight & legitimacy as anybody else who posts here (or anywhere else)...sometimes more & sometimes less. This is not a pissing contest...at least not from my end (so to speak).

Secondly, Why reply? As in the outside world, if I disagree with something or someone, I will disagree directly.

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#556934 - 09/10/09 03:42 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
This is how he gets attention. That's really all there is to it. He doesn't even believe the stuff he says. He just keeps doing it because it's what gets him attention.


Very weird opinion, this? Think about it. Getting attention from what? Mainly anonymous individuals with bad attitudes? Oh yeah, gimme more of that! sleep

And yet again, trying to see what's behind the curtain...and getting it wrong...again (Ad infinitum).

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#556938 - 09/10/09 04:49 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Haha. I don't want to see anything behind YOUR curtains, dude. That's some creepy enough shit as it is.

And as always, if you didn't like it, you would quit.
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#556947 - 09/10/09 07:26 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Didn't you read Erik Larsen's post? Here's the part you very obviously missed...

"...it's not a black and white world we live in, after all"

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#556949 - 09/10/09 07:52 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Didn't you receive any home training when you were a child? You must've missed the part where sometimes it's better, more productive, just to let some things go. But you've never let a single point drop. That's how I know you do this for sick pleasure. Well, this among other things.
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#556955 - 09/10/09 08:53 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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I see. You've read each & every single conversation, debate, argument, etc., that I've been involved with & come away with that conclusion?

I'm fully aware that you've been involved in many of the same threads that I've been involved in (and yes, we know mainly what the subject matter is...DUH!), which means that you are also fully aware that others have tried & failed to peek behind the curtain (You deny it, yet you keep trying. crazy )...Oh wait, you were one of the failures, too...before you developed a sort of spine & decided to post under your apparent real name...So it's VERY obvious which one of us has a problem letting some things go (here's a hint for you, take a peek in the mirror...if it's not too hard for you, that is).

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#556957 - 09/10/09 09:04 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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..

It's like having a political debate with a Republican't. Every point they lose reverts back to "I love Jesus, America, apple pie and you don't".

Nah-nah-na-nahnah!!

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