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#567693 - 03/09/10 02:58 PM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Joe Lee]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Some color would have helped this image as Batman's right hand is under the ladies' right armpit.

I agree that some things look a bit off. Superman's left hand looks malformed & Robin's going to need to see a good chiropractor.

JB draws good cracklin' fire, though! smile

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#567743 - 03/10/10 03:28 AM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Where is Supermans right foot? And Robin is a mess.

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#567748 - 03/10/10 09:46 AM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Bendrix]
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If you want to get really picky, check out the railing. It's drawn correctly in the original.

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#567751 - 03/10/10 10:14 AM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Joe Lee]
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You all raise fine points about Byrne's WORLD'S FINEST cover commission. But I must say, I prefer it to some of his others because it looks like he at least worked on it a while. There is lots of detail there, even if you start noticing mistakes once you stare at it.

One recurring problem Byrne seems to have is the thick black marker (is it literally a Sharpie?) he uses for background art. The clouds of smoke on the WORLD'S FINEST sketch don't really work for me because they're too muddy compared to the rest of the scene. He recently posted a Teen Titans commission that showed the kids racing along the water, and likewise, he used the thick black marker to draw the waves, and it didn't work. At first glance, it looked like the Titans were running on a 1970s shag rug.

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#567761 - 03/10/10 11:33 AM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Lawson]
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No, it's not a Sharpie. He uses Pitt Pens, problem is,he uses them well past the time he should just toss them or replace the tip. So you end up with the smudgy looking lines and blacks that are not solid.

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#567811 - 03/10/10 05:46 PM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Channeling Boris]
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The thing is, Byrne is a comic book artist and his art like most other comic book artists is best viewed as part of a 22 page story where you don't worry about the weaknesses and mistakes in it because the story pushes you on and you get sucked into the emotion and/or tension within that story. Plus he is not the world's greatest inker - never has been, never will be.

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#567822 - 03/10/10 09:11 PM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: shjonescrk]
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I don't know that sounds like rationalization.

It just looks rushed. Nothing wrong with that. We know when he takes his time his stuff is awesome. Commission or sequential.

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#567826 - 03/10/10 09:41 PM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Joe Lee]
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To tell the truth I don't know if his art actually approaches "awesome" even when it's not rushed. "Good", probably, or even "interesting" but I think his "awesome" stage is decades gone.

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#567830 - 03/10/10 10:12 PM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: IvanJim]
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Originally Posted By: IvanJim
I think his "awesome" stage is decades gone.


The best John Byrne artwork I've ever seen is his UNCANNY X-MEN pencils, inked by Terry Austin, more than 30 years ago. That's still some of the best superhero comics art to appear on my radar. But he hasn't topped it in all this time.

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#567844 - 03/11/10 12:37 AM Re: Only at the John Byrne Forum ... [Re: Lawson]
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As much as I loved his work on Uncanny X-Men, I thought he did a better job on Namor the Sub-Mariner, Sensational She-Hulk & Blood of the Demon.

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