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#571128 - 05/07/10 07:42 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

While I certainly agree that JB has, at times, come across as cranky & belligerent, I don't see it as necessarily a bad thing...per se.


It is what it is which is neither a bad or a good thing ...unless I suppose if you're on the receiving end of his crankiness and belligerence.

If, however, you're going to act cranky and belligerent, you should not be surprised or offended when people call you cranky and belligerent.


Indeed. In fact, I imagine even JB would agree with this. After all, he has, on many occasions, called himself a curmudgeon (and even though it was usually posted humorously, I have no doubt he's actually stating a fact).

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#571129 - 05/07/10 07:49 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
I have no dog in this fight, but I'm a big fan of logic.


The only logic Paul uses is circular logic.

If anyone has a negative opinion about anything John Byrne does or says, they are biased against John Byrne, and thus a "Detractor." So despite any facts or evidence, as a "detractor" having any negative opinion about anything John Byrne does or says is therefore inherently biased, because it is from a"Detractor" and because they have a negative opinion, and are therefore biased, they are a "Detractor," so if you are a "Detractor" you would of course have a negative opinion about what John Byrne does or says, and as Paul would say, "rinse and repeat..."


Now, now, Joe...You've been around long enough to know that this in inherently untrue.

There has been no REAL facts or evidence in the case at hand...only speculation & hearsay.

And you, of all people, know that I don't paint such a broad picture of individuals who disagree with or dislike JB. There are many stated facts about JB's negative behavior that are indisputable.

Then there are the exaggerations, etc....

By the way, don't forget about "Lather". cry

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#571130 - 05/07/10 07:56 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
In this particular case, no. For the reasons already stated.


In this particular case, the reasons you stated were that they said negative things about John Byrne. So really, what produces "credibility" in your mind is not expertise on a given subject, it's the ability to never ever say anything negative about John Byrne.


Feel free...as long as it is indisputable. Uh oh...

Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
That's why making assumptions is USUALLY not a good thing to do. When one (usually a detractor) jumps to the wrong conclusion (usually followed by other detractors latching on to these incorrect conclusions as predicted), it tends to stir up wild, imaginary fantasies...and in some cases (like this one), disgusting fantasies.


Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
This is probably a good example of why taking everything you read literally is USUALLY not a good thing to do. When I suggest that you want to quaff a steaming mug of John Byrne's semen, I'm not saying that's what you really want. It's a joke about how your devotion to John Byrne is ludicrously extreme.

Now as it happens, I do think you literally want to swallow a salty dose of Byrne's pearl jam, but I don't think you want it in a glass. That would just be silly.


If there's one thing I never do, it's take things most detractors say as literal.

Once again, though...disgusting fantasy on your part.

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#571131 - 05/07/10 08:02 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: shjonescrk]
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Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
Paul, we don't have to know 100% why Frank Lauro was banned. This is not a court of law after all. It is, however, a reasonable assumption based on the evidence we do have which includes the actions of others who do know what happened to assume that Byrne acted in a the manner of a dick.

I can be pedantic with the best of 'em but Paul, let it go, let it go.


I understand where you're coming from. And I won't even try to dispute the fact that JB has, in the past (and more than likely will in the future) act in the manner of a dick.

In this particular case? Banning someone JUST for attending a funeral and/or representing a group of individuals expressing sympathy for a loss? It's too far fetched...even for JB.

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#571133 - 05/07/10 08:36 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Hmmm...

Never said JB doesn't overreact sometimes.

I don't usually dispute anything when someone quotes something that JB has said. When they blow things out of proportion, though...


He absolutely overreacts. He's famous for it.

I believe I've been pretty fair and even-handed in recounting his antics here.
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#571134 - 05/07/10 08:45 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.


In fact, I imagine even JB would agree with this. After all, he has, on many occasions, called himself a curmudgeon (and even though it was usually posted humorously, I have no doubt he's actually stating a fact).


Byrne seems okay with negative criticism about himself only when he's the one putting it forth. He often makes self deprecating remarks about his early work but he is quick to snap and dismiss when others make similar remarks.

It's not enough to just call yourself a "curmudgeon." You have to understand where other people are coming from when they call you that and also be big enough to ask yourself the hard questions like, "Where do they get that perception?"
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#571135 - 05/07/10 08:49 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

You think JB posts elsewhere as a sock? If so, any examples?


Your glibness has hit the wall of my comprehension.

"...A sock...?" I don't get it.
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#571138 - 05/07/10 10:14 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
It's not enough to just call yourself a "curmudgeon."

It's also not enough to call Paul "attention starved."
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#571185 - 05/08/10 04:50 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

You think JB posts elsewhere as a sock? If so, any examples?


Your glibness has hit the wall of my comprehension.

"...A sock...?" I don't get it.


Seriously? OK. I'll take a chance that you're unaware of the term. It's an Internet term...mainly. Sock as in sock puppet.

You imply that JB posts elsewhere, but he's obviously not posting using his own name, so what name(s) do you believe he is posting under & where?

Of course, if you're just pissing in the wind...

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#571197 - 05/08/10 05:49 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Byrne has made it very clear that he only posts on his website. If he does indeed post elsewhere under an alias, I guess i wouldn't be surprised, considering the other deviant stuff he has done i.e. editing his posts then wiping out the 'edited by john byrne' line. But I'd also be very disgusted with that as well. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and take his word on that.
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