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#579431 - 11/04/10 08:10 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Sparvid]
Bendrix Offline
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JB is still under the impression that many customers buy multiple copies.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36769&PN=1&TPN=4

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#579432 - 11/04/10 09:07 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Mike Keane]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Keane

The business is actually in a much more profitable position than it has been in many years (certainly more profitable than in the 90's) so from that perspective TPTB are running the businesses well ....


Mike, I'm often with you but I have to disagree here. I actually agree very much with Byrne on the dismal state of comics. We're living in an unprecedented age when a decent selling comic is one that sells fifty thousand copies. DC is currently undergoing a massive restructuring and signs of the future aren't good... at least not for DC as a seller of comic books!


Originally Posted By: Mike Keane

...(otherwise why would Disney have paid 4Bilion for marvel).


The rights to the characters. Iron Man might not sell many comic books but his movies make a lot of money. Disney is interested in Marvel's properties. It's not interested much at all in Marvel's publishing arm. In the late 90's when things were looking bad, the suits up at Time-Warner took a hard look at DC and asked, "Why the Hell are we still publishing these things?" The idea was floated to end the publishing of comic books. I don't remember if they were going to end the publishing of all new books and keep putting out reprint material or if they were going to end everything all together. In the end, they decided to continue putting out the comics even if some were only breaking even as a relatively cheap outlet to keep all their character copyrights alive.

Originally Posted By: Mike Keane


Honestly I am happy for you that you like byrnes work (i also think he has talent as an artist, but not as a writer) but that work is no longer what the majority of comic fans want to see, this is evidenced by his sales figures.


Byrne's art was good back in the day and on occasion he's still capable of a home run here and there but he's gotten lazy, sloppy, and he kicks his own legs out from under himself by insisting on inking himself.

Byrne as a writer I don't want to see at all... unless you're writing some boring period piece where the characters speak in overly formal, stilted speech ...much like Byrne actually does by the way!

Originally Posted By: Mike Keane

...maybe byrnes style will be in again one day



I can see Byrne getting work from the Big Two much if there's ever a desire to do an intentionally dated "retro" project much as Darwyn Cooke does. Byrne's simplistic cartoony style best suits that these days.
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#579433 - 11/04/10 09:10 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Sparvid]
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Originally Posted By: Sparvid
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
The JBF strikes back at Mark Waid in this thread...

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36847&PN=1&TPN=1


JB: As near as I can figure, he seems to be one of those people who was "personally offended" by my work on Superman. If that really is the case, all I can say is "Twenty years now. Time to move on!"

Nice to know that he'll stop moaning about the cancellation of X-Men: Hidden Years sometime before 2021.


Isn't it past time then for him to give Jim Shooter a reprieve?
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#579434 - 11/04/10 11:21 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Sparvid
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
The JBF strikes back at Mark Waid in this thread...

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36847&PN=1&TPN=1


JB: As near as I can figure, he seems to be one of those people who was "personally offended" by my work on Superman. If that really is the case, all I can say is "Twenty years now. Time to move on!"

Nice to know that he'll stop moaning about the cancellation of X-Men: Hidden Years sometime before 2021.


Isn't it past time then for him to give Jim Shooter a reprieve?



And quit bitching about Image....
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#579435 - 11/04/10 11:21 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Dr Brian Fever]
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#579438 - 11/04/10 06:49 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Mike Keane]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

JB has always expressed his opinions about how the Big 2 were screwing things up (and in retrospect that is EXACTLY what they did) & the fact that he was working for them at the time deterred him not one iota. The people that he worked for (for the most part) at the time valued & respected JB's opinions even if they didn't publicly agree with them.

Then along came those that decided to take these criticisms on a personal level & now we don't get to see JB working on some cool Marvel & DC comics.


I suspect Byrne's opinions were never valued and respected. What was respected was his ability to sell comics. Since he isn't a big draw anymore, they have no interest in him.


Quoted for truth.


Having a suspicion is truth? Weird.

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#579439 - 11/04/10 06:57 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Mike Keane]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
[quote=Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
JB has always expressed his opinions about how the Big 2 were screwing things up (and in retrospect that is EXACTLY what they did) & the fact that he was working for them at the time deterred him not one iota. The people that he worked for (for the most part) at the time valued & respected JB's opinions even if they didn't publicly agree with them.

Then along came those that decided to take these criticisms on a personal level & now we don't get to see JB working on some cool Marvel & DC comics.


I suspect Byrne's opinions were never valued and respected. What was respected was his ability to sell comics. Since he isn't a big draw anymore, they have no interest in him.


Sad that some consider a great storyteller & artist NOT to be a big draw these days. Well, seeing as the industry is at it's greatest right now, making money & entertaining more & more fans every day, I guess they made the right decision.

In any case, JB's prescient (Thanks, Mr. Ness!) opinions regarding how the business was being run into the ground turned out to be fairly accurate, didn't they? Perhaps they SHOULD have TRULY valued & respected his opinions?


Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Paul.

The business is actually in a much more profitable position than it has been in many years (certainly more profitable than in the 90's) so from that perspective TPTB are running the businesses well (otherwise why would Disney have paid 4Bilion for marvel).


Holy Moley! You really think Disney purchased Marvel based on how well the business is being run? Jane, you ignorant slut!

Disney wanted the properties based on the success of the films. The way Marvel Comics publishing arm is doing was not a factor, IMO.

Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Honestly I am happy for you that you like byrnes work (i also think he has talent as an artist, but not as a writer) but that work is no longer what the majority of comic fans want to see, this is evidenced by his sales figures.


Like I say elsewhere, given the right project & the right push, his sales will do very well. When he was working on Action Comics with Gail Simone, sales went up?

Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Comic readers these days want to see work by people like epting, Ross, finch, van scriver etc.


And more power to them for that. However, there's absolutely no logical reason why JB can't get involved.

Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
And that's ok, tastes change maybe byrnes style will be in again one day


As far as I'm concerned his style is still IN...and I'm not alone in this by far.

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#579440 - 11/04/10 06:58 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Sparvid]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sparvid
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
The JBF strikes back at Mark Waid in this thread...

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36847&PN=1&TPN=1


JB: As near as I can figure, he seems to be one of those people who was "personally offended" by my work on Superman. If that really is the case, all I can say is "Twenty years now. Time to move on!"

Nice to know that he'll stop moaning about the cancellation of X-Men: Hidden Years sometime before 2021.


So, you compare someone mistakenly taking something personally to someone getting screwed over? Weird (what...again?)

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#579441 - 11/04/10 07:03 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Bendrix]
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Originally Posted By: Bendrix
JB is still under the impression that many customers buy multiple copies.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36769&PN=1&TPN=4


Based on what he mentions, is he incorrect? In any case, people are purchasing multiple copies of certain issues just to get their hands on the multiple covers. BLEH!

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#579444 - 11/04/10 08:56 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Dr Brian Fever]
Troy Lightbourne Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dr Brian Fever


Wow! What a killjoy! Well, I guess that's the childish move of the day.

Byrne may have some crazy objection to the San Diego con but does he really need to ruin the conversation for everyone else? Couldn't he simply cast the whole thread off to that crowded place known as his "Ignore List?" He could even have made a nasty condescending remark announcing he was doing so.

And what a smug, smarmy way to close it out too! Definitely the spoiled kid trying to push around the unfortunate kids playing in his sandbox.
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