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#575931 - 08/06/10 10:11 AM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Budman]
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A little excerpt from This link to start the morning. Lawson style. Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member Joined: 31 May 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2537 Posted: 03 August 2010 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LINK This is truly sad. My deepest condolences go out to the families of those who lost their lives. John Byrne Cog Joined: 11 May 2005 Location: United States Posts: 65365 Posted: 03 August 2010 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very sad when someone gets to their breaking point like that and feels the need to kill innocent co-workers. Clearly a very emotionally disturbed individual. My heart goes out to the families and loved ones of those innocent lives that were lost. All this tragedy because someone cannot deal with the everday stresses of life. Sad. •• Hypocrite. . Scott Daggett Byrne Robotics Member Joined: 26 February 2008 Posts: 840 Posted: 03 August 2010 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hypocrite? Where did that come from?? How does my comment make me a hypocrite? Really, I wanna know. What, I'm not allowed to have feelings for those impacted by the actions of an irrational, emotionally disturbed individual? Because I'm pro-gun my feelings toward those affected by some nut do not count? Edited by Scott Daggett on 03 August 2010 at 1:42pm Does the JBF have plainly written rules against flaming? If so, is it clearly expressed that Byrne is apparently exempt from the rule? I also want to note that Matt Reed guy is a real piece of work!
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#575933 - 08/06/10 12:34 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Yes--Matt Reed certainly is a character. The classic internet tough guy with power to lock threads and maybe ban people. "Prick" comes to mind when I read his posts.
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#575934 - 08/06/10 01:50 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Budman]
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In this thread on the Connecticut shooting, the undoubted star of his comic shop, Matt Reed posted:
Posted: August 03 2010 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply
Andy Williams wrote:
Somehow, the inability to "tow the forum line" on gun-control...
There is no "forum line" on anything, Andy. The closest we get is the fact that the majority of us are fans of John's work and even that is subject to different points of view. If you want to further your point in this or any discussion, I suggest not trotting out the tired mantra that everyone here must engage in group think in order to participate or else risk the wrath of "the collective".
While denying that there is any sort of "forum line," Reed fails to explain that if you do voice an opinion that goes against Byrne's ...or God forbid... you enjoy the work of Alan Moore, you do run the risk of being called a hypocrite or an asshole. And if you were to reply in kind... Well, there goes your forum membership.
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#575938 - 08/06/10 03:28 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Lawson]
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Here is the actual quote.
Which did not, by the way, endear Byrne to the man who now runs Marvel Comics.
John Byrne
Byrne Robotics CEO
Posted: 25 July 2006 at 9:48am
I recall Quesada using his mother's death as an excuse for his Daredevil work being late. At the time I noted that if the work had been on a realistic schedule to begin with, this family loss would have had no impact on the timeliness of that work.
I am tired of personal tragedies, natural disasters and other such upheavals being used as excuses for late books.
In the fall of 1980 I quit UNCANNY X-MEN, started on FANTASTIC FOUR, got engaged, moved to Chicago, got married and, in a nutshell, turned my whole life upside down. In the process, I lost about two months from my schedule. Did any of my books ship late? No. Why? Because I was ahead of schedule to begin with. I can understand why some would take this statement as being intentionally cruel, but (surprise!) I don't see it that way. The MAIN problem here is that JB tries to instill his own work ethic into the mix, so to speak. That was (and still is) a mistake, but only because the vast majority of today's talents have no real PROFESSIONAL work ethic to speak of. In retrospect, JB could have publicly showed more sympathy towards Joe Quesada's tragedy at the time. In fact, it probably would have been better for JB to step away from the entire debate, but that's just not JB's way. Expecting others to follow his example of professionalism is WAY too much to ask for. Then and now. Also, the obstacles that JB sited in no way compare with a death in the family. While some can make it through relatively unscathed, others take years to come to terms with death (and in some extreme cases, never come to terms). I remember debating this very subject a few years ago (Lawson may recall) & one thing that came up was that Joe Quesada should have received a free pass, so to speak, because of the death of his mother. While I agreed with this in principal, my response was that if a professional work ethic were maintained, a free pass would never be needed. Still, like I say now, many people handle death differently & Joe Quesada should have been excused...at the time.
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#575940 - 08/06/10 03:44 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Expecting others to follow his example of professionalism is WAY too much to ask for. Then and now. Admittedly, I've never worked in the comics industry. But I'm unfamiliar with any concept of "professionalism" that involves insulting a colleague (and former boss) in public for mourning his dead mother.
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#575942 - 08/06/10 04:00 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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I can understand why some would take this statement as being intentionally cruel, but (surprise!) I don't see it that way.
I don't see it as intentionally cruel either. It may well have been given Byrne's undisguised contempt for Quesada and the blame he lays at his feet for canceling that last X-Men book of his, but I see this crack coming more from Byrne's blatant insensitivity and his stubbornness. In true Byrne style, Byrne was mouthing off from his customary perch atop that high horse about the rampant latenessof current comic book artists . He was shown that Quesada did indeed have extenuating circumstances that justified his lateness. As Lawson above said, anyone else would've backed off and said, "Okay, maybe he's got a good reason but everyone else is still a slacker." Byrne however digs his heels in and refuses to relent. After all, if he gives Quesada a break, then his opinion is weakened and he can't have that!!! Even if his point were accepted and agreed with, one still has to question not only the sensitivity of the comment but the intelligence of putting such an inflammatory remark out there when he did.
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#575943 - 08/06/10 04:00 PM
Re: Q for JB
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I don't agree with Byrne's verbiage or his trying to equate a not-similar life situation, but I do agree with his sentiment. Mourning is one thing. A grown man slacking at his job — especially a job as slack as drawing comic books — and using his mother's death as an excuse for that, is quite a different thing.
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#575945 - 08/06/10 04:27 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Having had three books not appear, yet, after two different artists had issues, I think I can sympathize with Byrne, he worked through when others wouldn't, but I think most of us would be more human and deal with the emotional event more so than the work issue.
In my last month of university as a grad student I broke my ankle, my father had a stroke and three heart attacks and died, and my wife who was pregnant had to be rushed to the hospital with bleeding down below. My boy in her belly was ok, my dad was still quite dead, and I was in enormous pain, without any pain meds, but I wrote my two 40 page papers, because I didn't want the professors to mark me down for lateness. When I handed the work in one remarked I'd already given you the A for the class, the other said hmmph I was looking forward to giving you shit. People are different, and I do not expect people to be like I would be.
So could we give Byrne a thumbs up for work ethic and thumbs down for insensitivity without making it an attack? I think so. But I think it is far far better to be ahead of the task than catching up. Because people aren't likely to give you the break.
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#575947 - 08/06/10 05:27 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Alexander Ness]
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In my last month of university as a grad student I broke my ankle, my father had a stroke and three heart attacks and died, and my wife who was pregnant had to be rushed to the hospital with bleeding down below. Yeah, well Byrne moved.So could we give Byrne a thumbs up for work ethic and thumbs down for insensitivity without making it an attack? I'm not questioning his work ethic. I'm saying there's more to acting professional than work ethic, and badmouthing a coworker (or your boss) in public is unprofessional behavior.
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#575948 - 08/06/10 05:32 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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If this opens a new can of worms then Paul I apologize, but, Ceci do you think it is easy moving? That is one thing, because it isn't easy for everyone. I lose a year off my life when I move. My wife and son have ADHD and have ZERO organizational skills. Getting them here to there, even temporarily removes months from my life expectancy. What if Byrne is a pack rat and the very thought of moving makes him ill ... What if he has booby traps of debris set up across his home to kill intruders?
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