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#576346 - 08/18/10 07:53 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Nordberg]
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Defending Byrne is just the vehicle that Paul uses to get attention. It could just as well be anything, but Dave Sim and George W. Bush have enough apologists that Paul would get lost in the crowd if he had chosen them. It's an act and we play into it. If he truly was the obsequious Byrne fanboy he wants us to think he is, he'd only post at the JBF; he wouldn't even be here.

That's also his problem with IMWAN — they only want happy-happy-joy-joy posters and he knows he'd get booted after about his third nitpicky tête-à-tête.
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#576348 - 08/18/10 11:31 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.


Motivations can usually be discerned, but do you actually believe that JB's motivation is to treat this particular fan (Lars) as a battered wife, which is the exaggeration (as usual) that I'm reacting to?


Who said anything about Byrne's motives? That has nothing to do with the point or the end result. Byrne's motivation is his usual arrogance and snippy temper. What matters here though is Lars' tendency to take a beating and then ask ol' JB for five more across his lip.


First off, what beating did Lars' receive?
Second, you believe that JB's motive is to be arrogant & snippy?
If your motive is to be weird, then you succeeded.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
In the case at hand (with Lars), JB decided to put someone on ignore, which is the complete opposite of being battered.


Oh brother... Meaningless word games. The point again is that Byrne treated poor Lars badly and Lars took it.


Poor Lars again?
What a strange world you live in in which when someone gets slapped on the wrist & others react (on the behalf on another, mind you) as though they were abused.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Of course, good 'ol Troy is attempting to imply that Lars is playing the ROLE of battered wife (in other words acting as though nothing detrimental has occurred), when in point of fact he's (Lars is) displaying a sense of maturity that certain people lack.


Well that's certainly a matter of perspective. You may also applaud the poor battered wife for going back to her husband for the sake of the marriage. There arguably might be a twisted nobility in that but she's still taking a shot to the eye every now and then. No doubt Poor Lars will continue to take this mature high road the next time Byrne punches him in the stomach with his fists of IGNORE.


LOL! This virtual NEED to exaggerate is the reason why I provide that link down there in my sig line. You, Troy, are the latest version of The Exaggerator (AH-NOLD!). Lawson should be proud.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Perhaps like the frightened wife who remains timidly silent, Poor Lars will never again contradict Byrne on how Mickey Mouse is supposed to walk.


Or perhaps he's showing JB a bit more respect than a certain few (including myself) believe he deserves.

Poor Lars. LOL!

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#576349 - 08/18/10 11:47 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
The only difference being, Paul doesn't leave.


Also, Paul isn't being loud or angry (although he can cop to disturbing).

He also hasn't been defeated in argument.

Onward & Upwards!

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#576350 - 08/18/10 12:00 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Nordberg]
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Originally Posted By: Nordberg
Paul you are a Byrne enabler. Officially.


Even though history shows otherwise. However, you can continue on as though this theory of yours is incontrovertible. It should provide a bit of comedy.

Originally Posted By: Nordberg
That is now the official term for people who make excuses for Byrne's behavior.


And why wasn't I invited to the meeting? Oh wait, I don't have transportation to Bizarro's World.

Originally Posted By: Nordberg
If you find yourself trying to explain away Byrne's ridiculousness in spite of the evidence right before your and everyone else's eyes, you might be an enabler.


Read the post that is linked to in my sig line.

Originally Posted By: Nordberg
If you cast aside logic at every opportunity in order to maintain Byrne's reputation, you might be enabler.


Read the post that is linked to in my sig line.

Originally Posted By: Nordberg
If you believe that having made Superman comics back in the 80's makes Byrne the infallible messiah... well you get the idea.


Wow! REALLY read the post that is linked to in my sig line.

Originally Posted By: Nordberg
I'm sure you're a nice guy, but you have a something of a John Byrne problem.


And, just in case you missed it...Read the post that is linked to in my sig line.

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#576351 - 08/18/10 12:00 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
He also hasn't been defeated in argument.


This is, of course, true. Because Paul refuses to participate in an argument, and you can't lose if you don't play.

For instance, Paul has yet to name any of the numerous flaws he claims to have seen in my reasoning when I was pointing out all his logical fallacies. Since he ran away, you can't really call it a defeat... more of a full-speed retreat.

Paul is to argument what guerilla warfare is to battle. Take a jab, run like hell, take a jab elsewhere, run away again, poke your head up in yet another place, run like your ass is on fire... hope that your opponent will eventually get so annoyed that they go away.

It's a fantastic tactic if you're trying to free a country from an unbeatably massive invading force. Kind of odd and cowardly in conversation, though. Sort of like an admission that if you stood your ground, you'd get blown away.
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#576352 - 08/18/10 12:21 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Defending Byrne is just the vehicle that Paul uses to get attention.


From a bunch of detractors? Yup. You also am from Bizarro World.

Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
It could just as well be anything, but Dave Sim and George W. Bush have enough apologists that Paul would get lost in the crowd if he had chosen them.


Which just goes to show that the detractors have chosen a cause in which even they themselves consider to be trivial & yet they play out the same old arguments again & again & again.

Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
It's an act and we play into it. If he truly was the obsequious Byrne fanboy he wants us to think he is, he'd only post at the JBF; he wouldn't even be here.


Which just goes to show that I'm not the obsequious Byrne fanboy that so many detractors (all both of 'em) believe me to be.

Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
That's also his problem with IMWAN — they only want happy-happy-joy-joy posters and he knows he'd get booted after about his third nitpicky tête-à-tête.


I wouldn't mind getting booted at all if my posting proclivities bother them so much. If an IMWAN admin actually told me this is the reason I'm not allowed there, then I guess life will just have to go on, won't it? It'll be hard, but I'll manage...somehow.

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#576353 - 08/18/10 12:33 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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You are entertaining Paul. I'll give you that! As for Paul getting the boot from Imwank if he does ever show up there, I don't see that happening. That privilege is reserved for me, and me alone.
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#576354 - 08/18/10 12:35 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
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First off, what beating did Lars' receive?


We've been over this. Remember? Poor Lars disagreed with Byrne on how Mickey Mouse walks and Byrne flipped out on him.

Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Second, you believe that JB's motive is to be arrogant & snippy?


No. No. No. Byrne's motive isn't to BE arrogant and snippy. He seems to be that way naturally.


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

What a strange world you live in in which when someone gets slapped on the wrist & others react (on the behalf on another, mind you) as though they were abused.


It seems perfectly natural to feel bad for someone who's getting treated badly... even if they're okay with it.

Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

This virtual NEED to exaggerate is the reason why I provide that link down there in my sig line.


You keep pushing that sig line of yours. I don't really care enough to click on it.

Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Or perhaps he's showing JB a bit more respect than a certain few (including myself) believe he deserves.


Oh, Poor Lars is absolutely showing Byrne tons and tons of respect! Apparently, he damn well better!
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#576355 - 08/18/10 12:36 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
He also hasn't been defeated in argument.


And before I even read the following theoretical gobbledegook from Ceci, I feel I must state that I predicted he would latch on to this statement & re-use his same old detractor-driven talents as only he can...redundantly.

I wonder how right I am THIS time?

Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
This is, of course, true. Because Paul refuses to participate in an argument, and you can't lose if you don't play.


Which is why I don't call them arguments. I call them debates. Which shows just how low certain detractors like to take these debates.

Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
For instance, Paul has yet to name any of the numerous flaws he claims to have seen in my reasoning when I was pointing out all his logical fallacies. Since he ran away, you can't really call it a defeat... more of a full-speed retreat.


Inasmuch as one can run away on a message forum. Strike Two-Hundred & Eleven...not that I'm counting or anything.

Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
Paul is to argument what guerilla warfare is to battle. Take a jab, run like hell, take a jab elsewhere, run away again, poke your head up in yet another place, run like your ass is on fire... hope that your opponent will eventually get so annoyed that they go away.


And here I thought detractors liked to exaggerate certain situations to further their own agendas of negativity. What was I thinking?

Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
It's a fantastic tactic if you're trying to free a country from an unbeatably massive invading force. Kind of odd and cowardly in conversation, though. Sort of like an admission that if you stood your ground, you'd get blown away.


Hmmmm. Cowardly in conversation? Very good term actually. Of course, coming from someone hiding behind a pseudonym? Contradictory & hypocritical...actually.

Well, all of Ceci's theories are as redundant (and incorrect) as I predicted they would be. Sometimes I hate being so right sometimes!

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#576356 - 08/18/10 12:39 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: aric shapiro]
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Originally Posted By: aric shapiro
You are entertaining Paul. I'll give you that!


It's one of my more endearing traits. laugh

Originally Posted By: aric shapiro
As for Paul getting the boot from Imwank if he does ever show up there, I don't see that happening. That privilege is reserved for me, and me alone.


Somehow...I doubt that. whistle

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