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#576795 - 08/31/10 05:59 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Alexander Ness]
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I am not really a fan of Buscema Conan and the pic looks similar to that style or rendition, but ultimately I don't think the arm looks THAT horrible.
Can we move on to the next argument? Nah, I want to stick with this one. Buscema's Conan, when he was on top of his game, was a delight to behold. This is just a quick drawing to get a few bucks and to my eyes has not been done with any care and attention i.e. professionalism. That arm is shonky. Now, who's going to buy the new Next Men comics when they come out? I'm not as I think they'll be shit.
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#576798 - 08/31/10 08:02 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Registered: 05/18/10
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Logical fallacy question again: Wouldn't these be more of an argument of "honor by ownership"? Now I have no idea if there is a fallacy based on ownership. To me the justification used looked like "It's his pool, he can do what he wants" Wouldn't "honor by association" be different, more of a: Comic artists are always nice. JB is a comic artist, therefore JB is always nice. Thanks oh yeah how is this site: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/index.htmlQuite the opposite actually. That place is called Byrne Robotics: The Official John Byrne Website. For good or ill (and as I say, in this particular instance, there is nothing ill) JB can post when & wherever & however he likes. LOL! JB needs to yank the spotlight at at website that is his own personal stage? What an odd statement to make? No. What you are missing (perhaps on purpose & perhaps not) is that it is implicit that at JB's website his opinion and/or input is a positive thing (especially in regards to the subject at hand). This is the same honor by association fallacy repeated several times. Which makes it an argument from repetition as well.
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#576799 - 08/31/10 09:11 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: shjonescrk]
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[quote=Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.] [quote=shjonescrk]Anyway check this out - Conan - what's with the arm? Looks like he has two of them!  And the one stabbing his own foot is about six feet long! Perspective, dude!  No, it's a wonky arm, badly drawn, the perspective is all skewed. If I'd drawn it, I'd have rubbed it out and started again. It's terrible. Very Kirbyesque, actually. It appears to me as though JB was channeling Barry (Windsor) Smith channeling Jack Kirby.
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#576800 - 08/31/10 09:18 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Alexander Ness]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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Loc: Sparks, Nevada, United States
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I am not really a fan of Buscema Conan and the pic looks similar to that style or rendition, but ultimately I don't think the arm looks THAT horrible. Hmmmm. For some reason I spaced that. Now that you've put the thought into my little pea-brain, I'll add a John Buscema vibe to the mix as well. JB, Smith, Buscema & Kirby...What a deal! Can we move on to the next argument? The 5 minutes are up already? ----- By the way, I've said all I'm going to say (this go-round) about the Fred/Lars spectacle. Case closed.
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#576801 - 08/31/10 09:34 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: shjonescrk]
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I am not really a fan of Buscema Conan and the pic looks similar to that style or rendition, but ultimately I don't think the arm looks THAT horrible.
Can we move on to the next argument? Nah, I want to stick with this one. Buscema's Conan, when he was on top of his game, was a delight to behold. This is just a quick drawing to get a few bucks and to my eyes has not been done with any care and attention i.e. professionalism. That arm is shonky. Now, who's going to buy the new Next Men comics when they come out? I'm not as I think they'll be shit. The Amazing Kreskin you are most definitely not & you'd need his fake abilities to discern just how quick JB drew that image. Also, eyes certainly can never tell whether or not any care and/or attention went into the work in that piece. In regards to JB's Next Men (and the Kreskin reaction stands here,too), I look forward to seeing what will happen. I have absolutely no expectations either positive or negative. I hope for the best & I'm certainly glad to see JB returning to a creator-owned project. One thing's for sure, as a fan of JB (ya think???), I don't believe that his TRUE fans will be disappointed.
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#576802 - 08/31/10 10:04 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Registered: 05/03/10
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Very Kirbyesque, actually. It appears to me as though JB was channeling Barry (Windsor) Smith channeling Jack Kirby.
What a "reach!"... Get it? Kirby... Buscema... Smith... Tack on enough artists and maybe you'll be able to justify what just amounts to a badly drawn arm.
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#576803 - 08/31/10 10:42 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: bwhite33]
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Wouldn't these be more of an argument of "honor by ownership"? That would really just be a way of rephrasing the same idea... that the company Byrne keeps (the John Byrne Forum), whether through association as equals or through ownership, lends his statements and actions extra validity. To me the justification used looked like "It's his pool, he can do what he wants" Which would be fine, if anyone was arguing that Byrne can't do what he wants. However, as has been pointed out to Paul, nobody is arguing that Byrne is not able to do these things; only that he should not. Paul doesn't seem to get that. So there's some straw man fallacies at play too, since he keeps offering reasons why Byrne can do what he wants. Paul uses many logical fallacies, you see. oh yeah how is this site: Beats me. Never read it. At a glance it seems all right, although the navigation is a bit of a turn-off.
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