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#577178 - 09/08/10 06:52 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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How can one come off as genuinely (key word) knowledgeable on the Internet?
They usually don't have to name-drop. Who's making up these rules?
It's quite helpful for many & it's a very considerate thing to do most of the time.
Faking expertise on a subject is the sign of a poser. That's you jumping to conclusions...again. Not a good thing to do, but not surprising. I would consider Byrne an expert on comics. I'm sure a majority would agree with me on this. I see how often he's been misleading and flat out wrong in things he's said about that field and I really have to call into question his remarks on physics and religion. That's all well & good. He certainly doesn't claim to be an expert. That's you making such a claim on his behalf. Strange, really. It was an empty suit of an argument... the sort of thing that Intro To Philosophy 101 students would find cliched. If there was a line that would've made me say, "Oh wow! John Byrne is right! There is no God!" I must've missed it. Very close-minded of you... More from the Byrne playbook. "I'm calling HIM exacty what he is calling ME! He is close-minded because he dismisses my close-minded argument!"
I was very interested in where his point of view came from but sadly, his understanding of Religion has all the depth of a comic book geek arguing about the inconsistencies of their favorite character. Byrne equates God with Santa Claus. Even the most open-minded theologian is going to hit the bottom of that shallow pool very quickly. This just indicates how far you needed to drive away from the point that was made. Very close-minded, indeed. Again... it's close-minded not to embrace a close-minded point of view? No. The close-mindedness from your end is in the ways you present your close-minded views, but you know this already.
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#577179 - 09/08/10 06:54 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Here's an article that appeared in Entertainment Weekly a few years ago on Chevy Chase and the downturn of his career:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,676221,00.html
It's interesting to see the parallels between Chase and ol' JB. Consider...
1. Both men hit their peak in terms of popularity in the late seventies and early eighties with Chase peaking maybe a couple of years earlier than Byrne. 2. Both men produced their best work during this period. 3. Both men gained a reputation for being difficult, arrogant, and unpleasant towards their fans. 4. The work they both produced during the nineties and the 2000's was lackluster and failed to recapture the audiences of their heyday. Debatable. Yes. They most definitely are debatable points... but they really wouldn't be a debate you'd win. I guess though SOMEONE might've thought that Cops and Robbersons was a good film and that Lab Rats was a good book. More than one & majority wins is not always the correct result.
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#577180 - 09/08/10 06:56 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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JB's titles sell consistently well at IDW (and they've even gone out of their way to get him to bring back Next Men). And JB is also in a business that he chooses to be in.
Byrne famously said that he'd never again work on licensed properties after his bad experience on Marvel's Indiana Jones book. Twenty-five years ago, he never would've returned IDW's calls. Nobody ever changes their minds anymore?
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#577181 - 09/08/10 06:58 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Alexander Ness]
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I bought Lab Rats. I thought the art was ok but the story just eh. On the other hand I hated the Indiana Jones stuff. So apples v. oranges perhaps. I was disappointed that Lab Rats wasn't successful, but I wasn't surprised by it. The story just wasn't compelling enough for me. As far as JB's two issues of Indiana Jones? I loved them!
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#577182 - 09/08/10 07:01 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Byrne famously said that he'd never again work on licensed properties after his bad experience on Marvel's Indiana Jones book. Twenty-five years ago, he never would've returned IDW's calls. I remember really enjoying Byrne's Indiana Jones comics. What were the bad experiences?
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#577183 - 09/08/10 07:11 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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"INDIANA JONES was one of the Worst Experiences I've had as a comicbook professional."
Seems like some seriously skewed perspective. He had some annoying editorial restrictions and the Lucas people were difficult and it was one of the worst experiences? I dare say for most jobs, that level of stress would be a good day.
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#577191 - 09/08/10 07:43 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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How can one come off as genuinely (key word) knowledgeable on the Internet?
They usually don't have to name-drop. Who's making up these rules? Rules?? Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis? It's pretty obvious that someone who truly knows their stuff doesn't have to go out of their way to name-drop. Come on. Really now... I would consider Byrne an expert on comics. I'm sure a majority would agree with me on this. I see how often he's been misleading and flat out wrong in things he's said about that field and I really have to call into question his remarks on physics and religion. That's all well & good. He certainly doesn't claim to be an expert. That's you making such a claim on his behalf. Strange, really. Name droppers don't need to claim they're experts. That's what the name-dropping is for. It was an empty suit of an argument... the sort of thing that Intro To Philosophy 101 students would find cliched. If there was a line that would've made me say, "Oh wow! John Byrne is right! There is no God!" I must've missed it. Very close-minded of you... More from the Byrne playbook. "I'm calling HIM exacty what he is calling ME! He is close-minded because he dismisses my close-minded argument!"
I was very interested in where his point of view came from but sadly, his understanding of Religion has all the depth of a comic book geek arguing about the inconsistencies of their favorite character. Byrne equates God with Santa Claus. Even the most open-minded theologian is going to hit the bottom of that shallow pool very quickly. This just indicates how far you needed to drive away from the point that was made. Very close-minded, indeed. Again... it's close-minded not to embrace a close-minded point of view? No. The close-mindedness from your end is in the ways you present your close-minded views... Byrne's dismissal of God is based on his cynical world view and a childish understanding of the Bible. While he's certainly entitled to believe this stuff, it's certainly safe to say he's only a couple of brain cells ahead of Don Zhomberg.
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#577192 - 09/08/10 07:44 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Byrne famously said that he'd never again work on licensed properties after his bad experience on Marvel's Indiana Jones book. Twenty-five years ago, he never would've returned IDW's calls.
Nobody ever changes their minds anymore? Apparently they do... especially after they've nuked their bridges at Marvel and DC.
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#577193 - 09/08/10 07:46 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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[quote=Troy Lightbourne]Here's an article that appeared in Entertainment Weekly a few years ago on Chevy Chase and the downturn of his career:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,676221,00.html
It's interesting to see the parallels between Chase and ol' JB. Consider...
1. Both men hit their peak in terms of popularity in the late seventies and early eighties with Chase peaking maybe a couple of years earlier than Byrne. 2. Both men produced their best work during this period. 3. Both men gained a reputation for being difficult, arrogant, and unpleasant towards their fans. 4. The work they both produced during the nineties and the 2000's was lackluster and failed to recapture the audiences of their heyday. Debatable. Yes. They most definitely are debatable points... but they really wouldn't be a debate you'd win. I guess though SOMEONE might've thought that Cops and Robbersons was a good film and that Lab Rats was a good book. More than one & majority wins is not always the correct result. [/quote] Wow! It's the Greatest Hits of the John Byrne Handbook of Denial today! "EVERYONE is wrong about me and I'm the most misunderstood guy in the whole world!"
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