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#577228 - 09/09/10 07:54 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I REALLY don't see what the big deal is! Champagne Gold is just too darling a color to pass up!
Champagne Gold??????

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#577236 - 09/09/10 10:30 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Joe Lee]
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Yeah, I quit frequenting the home repair forums because of all the asian kiddie porn, too. smile

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#577237 - 09/09/10 10:36 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Peter Urkowitz]
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You guys are rich,even despite your blackened floors and assholes!

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#577241 - 09/10/10 02:26 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
just last week, he took a shot at Art Adams!

That he doesn't do enough comics work, strangely enough.

Mark Evanier linked to a video of Colleen Doran talking about her work a few days ago. She was going on about how much work she does, working 24 hours at a stretch sometimes. I'll buy anything with her name on it (apart from that Power Pack miniseries) and I haven't seen anything from her in years. So I just assume she's doing artwork for venues that aren't available to me. Advertising, or whatever. That would also be my guess about Art Adams.

Although, maybe just because it's Marvel, I think I've seen more work from Art Adams in the last couple of years than from Byrne.
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#577247 - 09/10/10 05:11 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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It's not like it's the first time he's complained about Art Adams:

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9175
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More issues of MONKEYMAN that didn't get done!


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12710&PN=0&TPN=1
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Art Adams drew an adaptation of the old Creature of the Black Lagoon movie that was inspired!

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Let's calculate how many issues of MONKEYMAN & O'BRIEN didn't get drawn while he worked on that.

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#577251 - 09/10/10 10:04 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
If a few detractors learned to lighten up a bit, these threads wouldn't grow as much as they do.


And speaking of lightening up, this from jovial John Byrne of the JBF...


I've decided that these slabbed books should be called "Schrödinger's Comics".
Like the dead/not dead cat in Schrödinger's famous thought experiment, slabbed books hover in a kind of non-existence, and the only way to make them "real" is to crack open the slab and thus "destroy" them.


And this...


If I want to sell it in the future what's the harm? If I wanna sell unslabbed comics...what's the harm? It's a collectable or Investment in someone's eyes.
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THAT'S the harm.

In the past few decades we have seen comics transformed from disposable reading material into "collectibles", and the very manner in which they are "collected" has worked more and more against the notion that they are created to be READ -- until, of course, we reach a point where many of them are NOT.



Sorry, Fred. Byrne is Hell bent on you NEVER enjoying that Amazing Fantasy #15. Congratulations though.
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#577254 - 09/10/10 12:54 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I REALLY don't see what the big deal is! Champagne Gold is just too darling a color to pass up!
Champagne Gold??????


Arigatou!

The first time I heard the term "champagne gold" was from George Carlin in the comedy set in which he is talking about purchasing different kinds of fake dog crap. Comedy (champagne) gold!

Here it is in written (or typed) form...

Lenny Bruce once said the reason the artificial vomit sells is because the artificial dog crap sold so well. I grew up watching the dog crap in the window, boy. I always thought..first, I thought a doggie had gotten in the window and done it there, y'know. It was always next to the false teeth that you wind up and let go, right? Good ol' plaster of Paris dog crap, wow. Sure is strange. How do ya ask for that, y'know? Whaddaya say to the guy? "I'd like to see something in a dog crap, please." "Well, what did you want to spend on that?" "Money's no object. It's for a very good friend. I rather fancy that beige number in the window." "That's not beige. That's champagne gold! It's our 'Breed Of The Month'- bulldog. You buy bulldog, we throw in a fox terrier free." Yeah. I imagine there'd be collectors, y'know, guys that had every breed. "Hey, ya got any St. Bernard?" "Yes, but there's no room in the window for that. We, uh.." The doberman pinscher- you'd always know the authentic doberman pinscher would be the one with the little pieces of buttons and clothing in it, right? "I'd like to include a card with that, please. 'Love to all, Dan.' Put that on my Diner's Club. You mind gift wrapping it for me?" I dunno. Sure is strange.

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#577256 - 09/10/10 01:22 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Sparvid]
Joe Lee Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sparvid
It's not like it's the first time he's complained about Art Adams:

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9175
Quote:
More issues of MONKEYMAN that didn't get done!


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12710&PN=0&TPN=1
Quote:
Art Adams drew an adaptation of the old Creature of the Black Lagoon movie that was inspired!

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Let's calculate how many issues of MONKEYMAN & O'BRIEN didn't get drawn while he worked on that.

That's some interesting logic. I've used it myself when bitching about missing Astro City, while Busiek was working on marvel crap. I've been accused of it myself, not getting spec work done, while doing the work that pays my mortgage.

Let's see if it applies to Byrne himself, and calculate how many issues of Danger Unlimited, and NextMen didn't get drawn while Byrne worked on message board posts, commissions, and Star Trek comics.

I liked the Creature from the Black Lagoon comic. Almost as much as the Gumby comics.

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#577259 - 09/10/10 02:03 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Sparvid]
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Originally Posted By: Sparvid
It's not like it's the first time he's complained about Art Adams:

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9175
Quote:
More issues of MONKEYMAN that didn't get done!


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12710&PN=0&TPN=1
Quote:
Art Adams drew an adaptation of the old Creature of the Black Lagoon movie that was inspired!

***

Let's calculate how many issues of MONKEYMAN & O'BRIEN didn't get drawn while he worked on that.


This is probably what started the whole thing (or at least played a large part) for JB in regards to professionalism in comics...or the lack of professionalism. Art Adams was invited to join the Legends imprint & apparently was unable to commit to promised projects. Some will call it hypocritical of JB seeing as he has walked off of several projects in the past, but it's not really the same thing. Mitigating circumstances caused JB to leave most (if not all) of the projects he walked away from (or was forced off of). He never left a project or refused to complete a project just so he could work on something else.
I, for one, looked very much forward to Art Adams' Monkeyman & O'Brien projects & when they were never released when solicited it was very disappointing. The same thing happened for me with Joe Quesada's Ash projects, Jim Lee's various Wildstorm projects (Deathblow, Divine Right, WildC.A.T.s), Dale's Keown's Pitt, Joe Madueira's Battle Chasers...I could go on & on.
This kind of unprofessionalism is what started the ball rolling for me to stop reading comics on a regular basis. More & more often there was lame excuse after lame excuse (and this is not a cue to bring up the relatively few legitimate excuses) for being late until it almost became expected.
In this particular case, JB has every right to express his displeasure about Art Adams. Art Adams made promises that, due to his lack of professionalism, he should never have made.

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#577260 - 09/10/10 02:08 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
If a few detractors learned to lighten up a bit, these threads wouldn't grow as much as they do.


And speaking of lightening up, this from jovial John Byrne of the JBF...


I've decided that these slabbed books should be called "Schrödinger's Comics".
Like the dead/not dead cat in Schrödinger's famous thought experiment, slabbed books hover in a kind of non-existence, and the only way to make them "real" is to crack open the slab and thus "destroy" them.


And this...


If I want to sell it in the future what's the harm? If I wanna sell unslabbed comics...what's the harm? It's a collectable or Investment in someone's eyes.
••

THAT'S the harm.

In the past few decades we have seen comics transformed from disposable reading material into "collectibles", and the very manner in which they are "collected" has worked more and more against the notion that they are created to be READ -- until, of course, we reach a point where many of them are NOT.



Sorry, Fred. Byrne is Hell bent on you NEVER enjoying that Amazing Fantasy #15. Congratulations though.


Seems like JB is Hell bent on getting Fred to crack it open so he could REALLY enjoy it...like it was meant to. Too bad you can't seem to get that point due to your haste to shine the old bad spotlight.

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