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#577261 - 09/10/10 02:20 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Joe Lee]
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That's some interesting logic. I've used it myself when bitching about missing Astro City, while Busiek was working on marvel crap. I've been accused of it myself, not getting spec work done, while doing the work that pays my mortgage. Let's see if it applies to Byrne himself, and calculate how many issues of Danger Unlimited, and NextMen didn't get drawn while Byrne worked on message board posts, commissions, and Star Trek comics. Art Adams couldn't get the job done. JB didn't make promises that he didn't intend to keep with those projects. Like I said, mitigating circumstances for JB, unprofessionalism for Art Adams. I liked the Creature from the Black Lagoon comic. Almost as much as the Gumby comics. Big fan of Universal Monsters & I grabbed up all of the comics that Dark Horse produced (The Mummy, Frankenstein, Dracula & Creature from the Black Lagoon). Great stuff. Haven't read the Gumby stuff, though. Good eh?
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#577263 - 09/10/10 02:38 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Haven't read the Gumby stuff, though. Good eh? Yep. Won awards too if I recall correctly.
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#577264 - 09/10/10 02:40 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Art Adams couldn't get the job done. JB didn't make promises that he didn't intend to keep with those projects. Like I said, mitigating circumstances for JB, unprofessionalism for Art Adams. Not sure I'm following you here. Byrne said, "Art Adams drew an adaptation of the old Creature of the Black Lagoon movie that was inspired! *** Let's calculate how many issues of MONKEYMAN & O'BRIEN didn't get drawn while he worked on that."How was it "unprofessionalism" as you say, for Art Adams to draw an adaptation of the old Creature of the Black Lagoon instead of his creator owned book, but it's not hypocritical (or at the very least just as, if not more disappointing) for Byrne to not produce creator owned stuff, while not even working on anything else, but commissions or message board posts? It sounds to me like Adams made a business decision, one book prioritized over his own creator owned work. Isn't that his call to make, not Byrne's? (But I'm just going from the info here, is there more to it?)
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#577270 - 09/10/10 03:51 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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If a few detractors learned to lighten up a bit, these threads wouldn't grow as much as they do. And speaking of lightening up, this from jovial John Byrne of the JBF... I've decided that these slabbed books should be called "Schrödinger's Comics". Like the dead/not dead cat in Schrödinger's famous thought experiment, slabbed books hover in a kind of non-existence, and the only way to make them "real" is to crack open the slab and thus "destroy" them.And this... If I want to sell it in the future what's the harm? If I wanna sell unslabbed comics...what's the harm? It's a collectable or Investment in someone's eyes. ••
THAT'S the harm.
In the past few decades we have seen comics transformed from disposable reading material into "collectibles", and the very manner in which they are "collected" has worked more and more against the notion that they are created to be READ -- until, of course, we reach a point where many of them are NOT.Sorry, Fred. Byrne is Hell bent on you NEVER enjoying that Amazing Fantasy #15. Congratulations though. Seems like JB is Hell bent on getting Fred to crack it open so he could REALLY enjoy it...like it was meant to. Actually, it sounded like Fred was enjoying his dream book just fine until Byrne told him how wrong he was for doing so.
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"...M*****..." ---John Byrne, a sixty year old man unwilling to refer to Marvel Comics by their proper name because they'd canceled his book.
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#577271 - 09/10/10 03:54 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Mitigating circumstances caused JB to leave most (if not all) of the projects he walked away from (or was forced off of). It's good to see you can get the internet over there in Fantasyland.
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#577273 - 09/10/10 04:09 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Haven't read the Gumby stuff, though. Good eh? Yep. Won awards too if I recall correctly. Yep, Art Adams, (with writer Bob Burden), won the 1988 "Best Single Issue" Eisner Award, for Gumby Summer Fun Special.
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#577274 - 09/10/10 04:21 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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In this particular case, JB has every right to express his displeasure about Art Adams.
Just because a "right" is there doesn't mean it needs to be exercised. For Byrne the call of the soap box will forever usurp the need for class or discretion.
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#577275 - 09/10/10 05:08 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Let's see if it applies to Byrne himself, and calculate how many issues of Danger Unlimited, and NextMen didn't get drawn while Byrne worked on message board posts, commissions, and Star Trek comics. That was my thought also, except I'm wondering how many issues of ROG-2000 didn't get drawn. Answer: all of them.
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#577280 - 09/10/10 07:49 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Art Adams couldn't get the job done. JB didn't make promises that he didn't intend to keep with those projects. Like I said, mitigating circumstances for JB, unprofessionalism for Art Adams. Not sure I'm following you here. Byrne said, "Art Adams drew an adaptation of the old Creature of the Black Lagoon movie that was inspired! *** Let's calculate how many issues of MONKEYMAN & O'BRIEN didn't get drawn while he worked on that."How was it "unprofessionalism" as you say, for Art Adams to draw an adaptation of the old Creature of the Black Lagoon instead of his creator owned book, but it's not hypocritical (or at the very least just as, if not more disappointing) for Byrne to not produce creator owned stuff, while not even working on anything else, but commissions or message board posts? To be fair (and for the record, My Honor!), when JB stopped Next Men & Danger Unlimited, etc. around 1995 he followed up working for DC on Wonder Woman for 3 consecutive years, as well as working on New Gods/Jack Kirby's Fourth World. Then JB returned to Marvel for Spider-Man on Chapter One & Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel: The Lost Generation, Hulk (albeit briefly & mostly forgettable) & X-Men: The Hidden Years before the itshay hit the anfay in 2001 (6 years after JB's decision to "postpone" Next Men). He returned to DC with some JLA stuff, Doom Patrol, Blood of the Demon, Action Comics & All-New Atom (for 3 issues, darnit!). That brings us up to 2008. From 2008 on JB's been working for IDW on FX & various Star Trek & Angel projects. IIRC 2007 wasn't a very productive year for JB in terms of published projects. In any case, when JB started working for IDW I started pondering that it was only a matter of time before Next Men made some sort of return & sure enough the B&W reprints appears & most recently an announcement for new Next Men. Wow. That turned into a diatribe didn't it? Anywho, the bottom line (whew!), as I already stated, was that JB had mitigating circumstances as to why he decided to postpone Next Men & even though I disagree that the market was as bad as JB thought it was back then, I don't blame him for being paranoid after encountering the few instances of retailer idiocy that caused him to come to his decision. In regards to Art Adams & his Monkeyman & O'Brien commitments, Legend was created to showcase creator-owned projects & that's why Art Adams was allowed to join that group. He promised to deliver Monkeyman & O'Brien & while there were a few appearances published, Art Adams ultimately decided to go with other projects. I certainly don't blame him for wanting to go where the easier money was to be made & perhaps he did most of those side projects for fun as well (I know they were certainly fun reads), in essence he turned his back on Legend & I don't imagine JB (& the other Legends) appreciated that very much (understatement in regards to JB). It sounds to me like Adams made a business decision, one book prioritized over his own creator owned work. Isn't that his call to make, not Byrne's? (But I'm just going from the info here, is there more to it?) I agree that it was a very sound business decision to make. I think what happened was JB sets a very high bar for professionalism in this business & it's a mistake on his part to expect others to follow his lead. It shouldn't have come as a surprise really because prior to Art Adams joining Legend, he didn't exactly have a reputation for projects that lasted any longer than mini-series length (at most).
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#577281 - 09/10/10 08:42 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Sorry, Fred. Byrne is Hell bent on you NEVER enjoying that Amazing Fantasy #15. Congratulations though. Seems like JB is Hell bent on getting Fred to crack it open so he could REALLY enjoy it...like it was meant to. Actually, it sounded like Fred was enjoying his dream book just fine until Byrne told him how wrong he was for doing so. I missed the posts where Fred mentioned that he stopped enjoying his dream book.
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