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#578431 - 10/13/10 01:29 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: shjonescrk]
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Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
I was never happy that Jean Grey was brought back. It undermined one of the best superheroes stories ever. I can't say I ever regarded it as a tipping point but clearly, it does represent an important step in the direction of which comics have become.

Unlike, say Captain America's death, Jean Grey was alway really dead. No one acted as if she was coming back and this was just a stunt. However, I am not unhappy with the Cap story as Brubaker was obviously setting it up to bring him back from the get go. So bringing back Elektra, Norman Osborne and Jean Grey are bad as they were really dead whereas bringing back Cap is not bad.


I guess I can see where you're coming from, BUT...when JB was involved with Jean Grey's return, such storytelling devices were not really prevalent (as it has apparently become in the new century). Should JB be blamed (in a detrimental sense) for trying to tell such a story at a time when such storytelling devices were quite rare?

I don't see HOW Jean Grey's return represents an important step in the direction in which comics have become unless one thinks it started a ball rolling (and as I indicate, the ball didn't even START rolling at Marvel until the new century...practically 17 years after JB was involved in the original story).

Blaming JB smacks of desperation from certain opportunists to me, but hey...I could be wrong & those that normally go out of their way to detract are not intending such a thing...this time...if that is the case, then my apologies to those that have no such intentions.

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#578433 - 10/13/10 01:38 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
And how many years after he wrote that story did any other major returns from the dead occur?

I ain't talking about just returns from the dead. I'm talking about a total lack of new material.


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I can see WHY certain individuals around here blahblah BLAHblah...

Okay, you're going back on ignore for a while.
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#578434 - 10/13/10 01:42 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Yay!

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#578435 - 10/13/10 01:50 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Yay!


who said that?

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#578437 - 10/13/10 02:39 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Originally Posted By: John Byrne
There is, for me, a parallel in the use of these cutesy-poo, and usually disrespectful short-forms of the character's names. "Supes". "Bats". "Wolvie". "Maggie". They come from, and contribute to, a subtle and insidious mentality in fandom. That whole "Oh, I am so much superior to this foolish comic books I am reading! Please, don't judge me by this trash! I am better than that!" As Guiliani saw with the "quality of life" crimes, it becomes a cumulative effect, and when we throw in a few other factors, equally "small" taken on their own -- well, we end up with the mess the industry is in today, don't we?


Har! laugh

Truly, of all the stupid things Byrne has ever said, that's a classic, that's gotta be in the Top Ten.

Sometimes people refer to Batman as "Bats" or Green Lantern as "GL" because they don't want to keep typing B-A-T-M-A-N or G-R-E-E-N-L-A-N-T-E-R-N over and over.

Sometimes a nickname is just a nickname, JB.

It's not meant as a slap at Byrne or his beloved funnybooks.

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#578438 - 10/13/10 02:49 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
Sometimes a nickname is just a nickname, JB.

It's not meant as a slap at Byrne or his beloved funnybooks.


I refer to Batman as BM but that makes older generations chuckle.

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#578439 - 10/13/10 02:51 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Alexander Ness]
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The first step to Armageddon is calling him "Bats"!

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#578440 - 10/13/10 02:52 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
The first step to Armageddon is calling him "Bats"!


The DC Comic series or the Biblical End Times event? Cause I didn't like one and if it were to happen I think the other would suck too.

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#578441 - 10/13/10 03:02 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Alexander Ness]
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Nah. You'll be called home to Heaven during the Rapture. I'll get run over by your empty car.

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#578442 - 10/13/10 03:04 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
Nah. You'll be called home to Heaven during the Rapture. I'll get run over by your empty car.


My car is a 2000 Gold dust colored Mitsubishi Galant. it is a beautiful car, and 99% trustworthy and reliable. If it does run over you, you would be honored by the event.

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