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#579225 - 10/30/10 06:03 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Tastes haven't changed; only Byrne's abilities have.


LOL! Necro, you make some foolish statements sometimes, but this one definitely falls into your Top 100.



wow--I thought it was a pretty accurate statement myself
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#579227 - 10/30/10 07:07 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Budman]
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Well, I could be wrong if you take into account the fact that a lot of what made Byrne popular in the first place was actually done by Terry Austin.
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#579228 - 10/30/10 08:14 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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The team of Chris Claremont, John Byrne & Terry Austin will go down in the history of super-hero comics as one of the most popular comic book teams ever (some even put them at #1, but I give that honor to Stan Lee, Jack Kirby & Joe Sinnott).

In any case, I certainly enjoyed Terry Austin's inks over JB's pencils on Uncanny X-Men, but I believe that JB's REAL popularity didn't kick in until his work on Fantastic Four.

It was JB's name that sold everything after Uncanny X-Men. Nostalgia colors certain memories, IMO, but JB's skills (contrary to a few whacked out & WRONG opinions) have evolved & improved over the years (no, this does NOT indicate that he is without faults...artistically speaking...nobody's perfect).

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#579229 - 10/30/10 08:15 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Budman]
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Originally Posted By: Budman
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Tastes haven't changed; only Byrne's abilities have.


LOL! Necro, you make some foolish statements sometimes, but this one definitely falls into your Top 100.



wow--I thought it was a pretty accurate statement myself


Well, only if it was meant in a positive sense, but what are the odds of that?

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#579231 - 10/30/10 09:07 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Well, I could be wrong if you take into account the fact that a lot of what made Byrne popular in the first place was actually done by Terry Austin.


Oh absolutely!

Byrne should get down on his knees everyday and thank that God he doesn't believe in for Terry Austin.
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#579248 - 10/31/10 10:43 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Mike Keane]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Keane

Trust me if he was offered work he would take it (at least from DC).


Byrne's bridge burning at DC isn't quite as dramatic as the nuclear bomb he dropped over at Marvel.

Byrne's last projects at DC were completely under-whelming lukewarm fare. No one was talking about his Demon book and his swing at the New Gods. Lab Rats and the Doom Patrol were flat out bombs. Even higher profile projects like Wonder Woman and a couple of fill-in's on Action Comics failed to capture even a tenth of the attention Rob Liefield got by doing two issues of the Titans. When DC put together the highly anticipated reunion of Byrne and Claremont for a JLA arc, the end result was a drab lifeless story that utterly failed to re-capture the glory days of the X-Men. It was very obvious that Byrne's name and ability... as diminished as they were... no longer sold books. DC was losing interest in offering Byrne creative projects.

Once Byrne's good friend Paul Kuperberg left DC, Byrne lost his last remaining advocate and ally. He found himself in the company strangers and "young turks" who had minimal interest in him ...and as we all know, that's not where Byrne likes to be! At the end, Byrne was doing fill-ins on the new Atom book. The Atom! That's lower than Aquaman... and it wasn't even the REAL Atom. It was that oriental pretender! Byrne must have been galled. DC stopped calling him shortly afterwards and Byrne recognizing the writing on the wall, stopped calling them. This way, he can safely claim to have been the one to walk away.

As much as his ardent fans would like to believe that if it was up to Byrne, he could still be at DC churning out the one hundredth issue of Lab Rats or possibly that most self-indulgent of fan fiction, the endless Generations series, it's just not true. Byrne was proving unable to produce well-selling attention grabbing books and what's worse, he was taking to his Internet soap box and calling DC double crossers at every turn. When he started lashing out at DC Hall of Famer, the beloved Dick Giordano, over creative decisions from twenty five years earlier, Giordano's friends and proteges still at DC had had enough of Byrne's big mouth and nasty disposition. They made certain his name was off their speed dial.
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#579249 - 10/31/10 10:53 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
...VERY unaware of certain facts regarding JB's home.


Byrne's house has always reminded me of the movie BIG, where a little kid is suddenly through magic transformed into an adult with access to an adult's salary. Being a little kid, he didn't know what else to do with all his money so he filled his house with toys and junk.

Via Byrne's own words, we know he has a cleaning lady that he gives a hard time. (If there's anything worse than Byrne the Employee, it's GOT to be Byrne the EMPLOYER!! Oh, that poor woman!) Once he got fed up with her, he banned her from his studio ( I guess he couldn't put her on Ignore!) and got himself one of those vacuuming robots. His house is full of junk, paper, and he never turns on the air conditioner, so we know it gets hot. He has a leaky roof (Never buy a house with a flat roof!) so we can through some dampness into the mix. Furthermore, the guy lives in the woods. It's a perfect recipe for your own rain forrest. Thus he has a rat infestation.
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#579250 - 10/31/10 11:12 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Budman]
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The feud between Byrne and Brevoort continues over at Byrne's ego-board:


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36824&PN=1&totPosts=23

I'm not aggreeing at all with Brevoort who is attempting to justify the comic industry's self-destructive policies while shrugging his shoulders at the same time, but we do see that Byrne can't simply waltz back over to Marvel anytime he wants.
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#579251 - 10/31/10 12:12 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Bendrix
JB gives away the last part of a six part commission for free because the customer is a little thigh on money due to health problems in the family.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36766&PN=1&TPN=4


What the heck is "thigh" on money? laugh


Hoppla. Hab ich wohl einen Fehler gemacht. Tut mir Leid, dass es dir daher unmöglich war mein Posting zu verstehen. Aber dann schreiben wir halt auf Deutsch, da passiert mir das nicht so schnell. Denke das ist okay, oder?

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#579252 - 10/31/10 12:58 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Budman]
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Poor Jean-Francois ! He chose a Halloween costume that didn't get Byrne approval. Another newcomer learns how things work at the JBF the hard way!


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36820&PN=1&totPosts=14
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