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#579304 - 11/01/10 09:56 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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dude, give it up.

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#579305 - 11/01/10 10:39 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Alexander Ness]
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You quit giving such easy setups.
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#579324 - 11/02/10 05:25 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
[quote=Allen Montgomery]Tastes haven't changed; only Byrne's abilities have.


LOL! Necro, you make some foolish statements sometimes, but this one definitely falls into your Top 100.


Whilst I would disagree with Alan that tastes have not canged (i believe they have) He is still right that byrnes skills are not what they once were.


I agree. As I say earlier...They have evolved & improved. [/quote]

As with my post I assume you mean that this is your opinion and not a fact

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#579325 - 11/02/10 05:35 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
[quote=shjonescrk][quote=Troy Lightbourne]The feud between Byrne and Brevoort continues over at Byrne's ego-board:


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36824&PN=1&totPosts=23

I'm not aggreeing at all with Brevoort who is attempting to justify the comic industry's self-destructive policies while shrugging his shoulders at the same time, but we do see that Byrne can't simply waltz back over to Marvel anytime he wants.




The ego quip seems to have gotten to Byrne who on page 2 of the thread tries to demonstrate that it's not his ego that's the problem, however he demonstrates quite clearly that it's all about his ego - heaven forfend that a comic book company would expect the mighty JB to pitch for work.


Given his current level of sales, it is obvious that he is not the star draw that he was (not saying he can not do good work just that he does not bring in the buyers the way he used too) so I think that it is only right that companies would expect him to pitch for business so that they can see if his plans for the book match where the companies want the characters to go.


Hmmmmm. The guys running the show (into the ground...comparatively speaking) these days want what practically every detractor wants...JB to crawl to the Big 2 & beg & plead to work under their foolish & idiotic regimes. There's an old saying that I imagine is going through JB's mind...Fool Me Once...

Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Also I think he needs to realise that whilst his sales figures for the big 2 are not good, they are perfectly acceptable for IDW (expectation vs return)so Chris Ryall asking byrne to work for him is a far different thing to dc doing the same.


Given the right project & the right push & JB would get the job done.

Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Also is it really that difficult for him to pick up a phone and say I would like to do xmen evermore?


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Is it really that difficult for the PTB at the Big 2 to make business decisions & hire the right people for the right projects? Oh wait...


Paul.

1)How is JB (or you )any different he expects them to come to him.

Which you have to accept is unlikely given the amount of criticism he has levelled at them.

Lets not forget that he has repeatedly said he would not work for dc or marvel, so why should they ask him?

As a point of note paul, comics (especially at dc and marvel) are more proffitable now than they have been in years, so i do not think anyone is running the companies into the ground.

2) re the right projects, this holds true for pretty much anyone.

Saying that he was given a chance at the JLA and that did not exactly set the world on fire.

3)I would suggest that TPTB at dc and marvel have many people on projects that I think are the right people.

Brubaker on cap, fraction on iron man etc.


Edited by Mike Keane (11/02/10 05:38 AM)
Edit Reason: clarification

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#579326 - 11/02/10 09:18 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Poor Jean-Francois ! He chose a Halloween costume that didn't get Byrne approval. Another newcomer learns how things work at the JBF the hard way!


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36820&PN=1&totPosts=14


JB made his opinion known on his own message board again!



It's absolutely Byrne's right to be rude on his own message board. It's a liberty he exercises often.
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#579327 - 11/02/10 09:22 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Well, I could be wrong if you take into account the fact that a lot of what made Byrne popular in the first place was actually done by Terry Austin.


Oh absolutely!

Byrne should get down on his knees everyday and thank that God he doesn't believe in for Terry Austin.


Yeah! Screw all those other has-beens like Dick Giordano, Keith Williams, Bob Wiacek, Scott Hanna, Al Milgrom, Dan Green, Pablo Marcos, Mike Machlan, Paul Ryan, Joe Sinnott, Al Gordon, Jerry Ordway, Karl Kesel, Tom Palmer, John Beatty, Bud La Rosa's Nekros Studio, Doug Hazlewood, Mark Farmer...


A lot of those guys didn't do Byrne much good. Sinnot and Ordway for example absolutely buried him. The original point though was that it was Byrne's collaboration with Austin that really propelled his art to superstar status and were it not for Austin he would most likely have remained just another mediocre Marvel penciller of the time.
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#579328 - 11/02/10 10:49 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Poor Jean-Francois ! He chose a Halloween costume that didn't get Byrne approval. Another newcomer learns how things work at the JBF the hard way!


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36820&PN=1&totPosts=14


JB made his opinion known on his own message board again!



It's absolutely Byrne's right to be rude on his own message board. It's a liberty he exercises often.




And it is a liberty I will defend to my death.

BUt that liberty also comes with responsibilities, he can say whatever he wants, but must be prepared to deal with the consequences that arise from what he says.

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#579332 - 11/02/10 11:55 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Mike Keane]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
[quote=Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.][quote=Allen Montgomery]Tastes haven't changed; only Byrne's abilities have.


LOL! Necro, you make some foolish statements sometimes, but this one definitely falls into your Top 100.


Whilst I would disagree with Alan that tastes have not canged (i believe they have) He is still right that byrnes skills are not what they once were.


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I agree. As I say earlier...They have evolved & improved.


Originally Posted By: Mike Keane
As with my post I assume you mean that this is your opinion and not a fact


Indeed. That's how I look at all this stuff. We disagree...sometimes vehemently...but I'm certainly not trying to change anyone's opinion...My opinion (in regards to the subject at hand) is usually contrary to those I call Detractors, but their opinions are still valid (even if they are wrong whistle)

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#579335 - 11/02/10 12:24 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Poor Jean-Francois ! He chose a Halloween costume that didn't get Byrne approval. Another newcomer learns how things work at the JBF the hard way!


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36820&PN=1&totPosts=14


JB made his opinion known on his own message board again!



It's absolutely Byrne's right to be rude on his own message board. It's a liberty he exercises often.


JB has indeed been very rude to people at the JBF & he will more than likely behave that way again in the future. It's one of his personality flaws that a certain few take WAY too seriously.

When JB expressed his VALID opinion to Poor ( laugh ) Jean-Francois (Shitting all over Will Eisner's grave. Excellent way to celebrate Halloween!) he was far from being rude. You follow JB's every waking breath at the JBF & you think THAT'S rude? It's obviously already been established, but you're online persona has a very thin skin.

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#579337 - 11/02/10 12:33 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
[quote=Allen Montgomery]Well, I could be wrong if you take into account the fact that a lot of what made Byrne popular in the first place was actually done by Terry Austin.


Oh absolutely!

Byrne should get down on his knees everyday and thank that God he doesn't believe in for Terry Austin.


Yeah! Screw all those other has-beens like Dick Giordano, Keith Williams, Bob Wiacek, Scott Hanna, Al Milgrom, Dan Green, Pablo Marcos, Mike Machlan, Paul Ryan, Joe Sinnott, Al Gordon, Jerry Ordway, Karl Kesel, Tom Palmer, John Beatty, Bud La Rosa's Nekros Studio, Doug Hazlewood, Mark Farmer...


A lot of those guys didn't do Byrne much good. Sinnot and Ordway for example absolutely buried him. The original point though was that it was Byrne's collaboration with Austin that really propelled his art to superstar status and were it not for Austin he would most likely have remained just another mediocre Marvel penciller of the time.[/quote]

Valid opinion. VERY valid opinion.

I disagree with it in it's entirety, but VERY valid opinion.

It's hilarious how you attempt to attribute MORE to Terry Austin's skills than to JB's. They were a very fine TEAM & you would do well to remember that (if you could get off the high horse you've glued yourself to, that is).

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