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#579358 - 11/02/10 09:23 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Mike Keane]
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JB made his opinion known on his own message board again! It's absolutely Byrne's right to be rude on his own message board. It's a liberty he exercises often. And it is a liberty I will defend to my death.
BUt that liberty also comes with responsibilities, he can say whatever he wants, but must be prepared to deal with the consequences that arise from what he says. I couldn't agree more.
In this particular case, though? Yet another small pebble in the pond for a Detractor to try to grow into a rock slide. Since I am commenting on his rights in general (not with regard to this specific case) I assume that since you agree that freedom has consequences, then jb not getting work at dc or marvel is a direct result of the comments he has made towards them.
So bad comment = no work.
He keeps his right to freedom of expression they keep the freedom to hire who they want.
Everyone wins Ah, if only the world were truly so black & white.
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#579359 - 11/02/10 09:34 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: shjonescrk]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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JB has indeed been very rude to people at the JBF & he will more than likely behave that way again in the future. It's one of his personality flaws that a certain few take WAY too seriously. When JB expressed his VALID opinion to Poor (  ) Jean-Francois ( Shitting all over Will Eisner's grave. Excellent way to celebrate Halloween!) he was far from being rude. You follow JB's every waking breath at the JBF & you think THAT'S rude? It's obviously already been established, but you're online persona has a very thin skin. I can't quite see how dressing up as the Spirit for Halloween is pissing on Will Eisner's Grave. JB was being rude and stupid for that matter. Of course, this is only my opinion and Paul will no doubt let me know whether it is valid or invalid. Most opinions are valid. Not all of them are right. If you read the thread in question, you'd know that the poster that included an image of a homemade costume of The Spirit was referencing inspiration for the costume from Frank Miller's version of The Spirit, which, as I recall, most believe was disrespectful (to say the least) towards Will Eisner's creation.
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#579360 - 11/02/10 09:45 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Alexander Ness]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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Loc: Sparks, Nevada, United States
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I know that Frank Miller and Will Eisner were close friends, and it makes me think that Miller was trying to either do exactly what a modern day Eisner would have done, that is, tell his own story without necessary homage and evoking of the past, or that he tried to tell the story using modern methods and made changes to make that work for the character.
Did it work? Nah. Was it pissing on Eisner's work? Not intentionally so I think. Do I like it? Fuck no. I also do not believe that Frank Miller's intentions were to disrespect Will Eisner's creation. I did, however, enjoy the film. I also enjoyed the made-for-TV version from 1987 that starred Sam J. Jones ( famous for his role as Flash Gordon in the 1980 film) & Crystal Bernard (of Happy Days/Wings fame).
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#579361 - 11/02/10 09:49 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Budman]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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Loc: Sparks, Nevada, United States
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I hope that guy who dressed as the Spirit was wearing a full face mask b/c that is one huge jaw he's sporting.
I tried watching the Spirit many many times. It plays ad nauseum on Showtime and TMC. Couldn't get into it at all and man did I try I thought it was hilarious (and I'm not necessarily sure that was Frank Miller's intention). I thought Samuel L. Jackson's performance was great!
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#579368 - 11/02/10 11:55 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Registered: 08/13/10
Posts: 53
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Byrne rants about someone's Halloween costume? A guy who wore this...  Needs to shut up about anyone else's costume.
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"Your hypocrisy has finally taxed me beyond measure" Known hypocrite John L. Byrne, to someone at his forum who dared be right about something.
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#579371 - 11/03/10 01:35 AM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Budman]
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Mark Waid was asked his opinion about the Superman movies and in responding, he relays this anecdote about his first meeting with John Byrne...
"The first one changed my life, second one I have grown to appreciate even though at the time it crushed me because it was more of a comedy. Third one I loved at the time. It led to my first angry meeting with John Byrne; I stood in line at a convention to get his signature on something, I was still a fan, and I had just seen "Superman III" and liked some of the stuff in it, and I mentioned it to John Byrne and it didn't go well. He started screaming at me, and that scarred me for life. I'm just a guy in line! Don't yell at me for liking "Superman III!" Yes, it sucks in retrospect, but I was like 17, I didn't know! [Audience laughs]"
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"...M*****..." ---John Byrne, a sixty year old man unwilling to refer to Marvel Comics by their proper name because they'd canceled his book.
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#579378 - 11/03/10 02:28 AM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Whatever. Superman III was great, the best of them by far. Dark Superman, the half-cent scheme, Richard Pryor as Patton, Annette O'Toole (not naked like in Cat People, but still), and one of the most hilarious lines in the history of cinema: "I ask you to do a simple thing like kill Superman, and you can't even do that!"
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#579396 - 11/03/10 05:52 AM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Registered: 01/01/10
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JB made his opinion known on his own message board again! It's absolutely Byrne's right to be rude on his own message board. It's a liberty he exercises often. And it is a liberty I will defend to my death.
BUt that liberty also comes with responsibilities, he can say whatever he wants, but must be prepared to deal with the consequences that arise from what he says. I couldn't agree more.
In this particular case, though? Yet another small pebble in the pond for a Detractor to try to grow into a rock slide. Since I am commenting on his rights in general (not with regard to this specific case) I assume that since you agree that freedom has consequences, then jb not getting work at dc or marvel is a direct result of the comments he has made towards them.
So bad comment = no work.
He keeps his right to freedom of expression they keep the freedom to hire who they want.
Everyone wins Ah, if only the world were truly so black & white. Paul, The world is that black and white. People make choices, they then have to deal with the consequences of those choices. JB bad mouths marvel and dc, he then does not get any work from them. That is a consequence of his actions, that he has to accept responsibility for.
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#579398 - 11/03/10 12:04 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Mike Keane]
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Registered: 07/22/01
Posts: 4593
Loc: Sparks, Nevada, United States
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Ah, if only the world were truly so black & white. Paul, The world is that black and white. People make choices, they then have to deal with the consequences of those choices. JB bad mouths marvel and dc, he then does not get any work from them. That is a consequence of his actions, that he has to accept responsibility for. JB has always expressed his opinions about how the Big 2 were screwing things up (and in retrospect that is EXACTLY what they did) & the fact that he was working for them at the time deterred him not one iota. The people that he worked for (for the most part) at the time valued & respected JB's opinions even if they didn't publicly agree with them. Then along came those that decided to take these criticisms on a personal level & now we don't get to see JB working on some cool Marvel & DC comics.
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#579399 - 11/03/10 12:23 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Registered: 12/19/05
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JB has always expressed his opinions about how the Big 2 were screwing things up (and in retrospect that is EXACTLY what they did) & the fact that he was working for them at the time deterred him not one iota. The people that he worked for (for the most part) at the time valued & respected JB's opinions even if they didn't publicly agree with them.
Then along came those that decided to take these criticisms on a personal level & now we don't get to see JB working on some cool Marvel & DC comics. Because John Byrne has previously been exempt from consequences, he should always be exempt from consequences! This is, of course, an appeal to tradition. Paul does love his logical fallacies. Meanwhile, there's also an attempt going on to imply causation from correlation... yes, another logical fallacy. The assumption is that because Byrne's lack of work is concurrent with the advent of new employees, this must be the reason Byrne stopped getting work. In reality, there are other reasons, all far more likely. A massive drop in Byrne's ability to sell a book would be the most likely culprit; your boss is less forgiving of bad behavior when you're making him less money. There's also the advent of the internet; when Byrne shoots his mouth off, he has a wider audience, which means those who don't like what he's saying will be more concerned about it. But, we all know Paul doesn't rate logic very high when it comes to defending John Byrne. Logic is a filthy detractor.
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