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#579640 - 11/09/10 05:59 PM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: ChrisW]
Ceci n'est pas une chaussette Offline
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My question:

Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
Weemie, are you ever sober?


What I must assume is Weemie's response, since the top of his post says, “Re: Ceci n’est pas une chausette”:

Originally Posted By: ChrisW
Mr. "before I talk about the soldier under my command who murdered his fellow soldiers after guidance from an American citize I've targetted for assassination, lemme give a shout-out to my homie"? Mr. "Abdulmutallab was an isolated extremist"? Mr. "I say I own the problem except when I'm blaming my predecessor"? Mr. "Of course I'll sign pay-as-you-go into law and then any bills passed that ignore it"? Mr. "I don't want to run a car company" car company runner?" Mr. "pay Brazil to drill for oil but forbid American companies to do the same at home?" Mr. "call a Marine a 'corpse-man'"? Mr. "No you can't see my college records or my wife's college records because people like Allen believe unquestionably that we're really smart"?

Really? Brain? Has he done anything with his life before or after being elected President that would lead you to believe he uses his brain? What is it, if you don't mind my asking?


Translated answer:

No, Weemie is never, ever sober.
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#579641 - 11/09/10 06:04 PM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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I'm just waiting for Roman Polanski to somehow get dragged into this.
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#579662 - 11/10/10 04:33 AM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: Peter Urkowitz]
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Originally Posted By: Peter Urkowitz
Chris, I don't recognize all of the quotes or paraphrases that you're attributing to Obama as evidence of his not-smartness, but the ones that I do recognize, I see as either momentary errors soon corrected, or as actual evidence of intelligence.

For instance, what you call dithering over his Afghanistan policy, I see as careful weighing of the evidence and the advice of his military and civilian advisers, a responsible and diligent examination of data before reaching a very difficult decision in a case with no good options.

So, yeah, Obama looks smart to me. His history shows plenty of evidence of intelligence, competence, and ability, as an academic, an organizer, a writer, and a politician. Although I don't agree with everything he says or does, I am glad to have him as President. When facing the threat of radical Islamic terrorists, he has (mostly) struck the proper balance of toughness against real adversaries while refusing to demonize an entire religion or cultural group.

Our eventual success in defeating terrorism will be dependent upon establishing common bonds of friendship with the mainstream Muslim world, as difficult as that project may be. There has to be a military and law-enforcement element to the strategy too, no denying that, but that part alone won't solve the problem in the long run.


Well said, Peter. I'd share a foxhole with you.

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#579667 - 11/10/10 09:08 AM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: Stephen Parkes]
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I don't think anyone should be worrying about anyone else's foxhole. What you do with your foxhole is your business!
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#579677 - 11/10/10 04:40 PM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: THE Anti-Hunter]
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But Weemie wants Erik Larsen in his foxhole. If you know what I'm saying.
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#579730 - 11/11/10 10:13 AM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
But Weemie wants Erik Larsen in his foxhole. If you know what I'm saying.


Is there room with Dave Sim in there?


J/K Chris.
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#579738 - 11/11/10 01:12 PM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: THE Anti-Hunter]
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#579792 - 11/12/10 08:22 PM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: Peter Urkowitz]
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Originally Posted By: Peter Urkowitz
For instance, what you call dithering over his Afghanistan policy, I see as careful weighing of the evidence and the advice of his military and civilian advisers, a responsible and diligent examination of data before reaching a very difficult decision in a case with no good options.


Shouldn’t he have been doing that the two years or so he chaired the Senate Subcommittee on Afghanistan? Shouldn’t he have done that before he campaigned on Afghanistan being a war of necessity? Shouldn’t he have that after the election when he approved new COIN procedures and continued calling it a war of necessity?

Because he had at least three years to come up with something that wouldn’t make him look indecisive and weak. Telling the enemy who is at war with us that we will leave after a certain deadline and they will be free to butcher our current allies at their leisure is not an intelligent thing to do. Can you see FDR going on the radio and telling the world that if Japan did not surrender by the end of the year, our forces would leave the Pacific region and that would be it? What would that have told the Japanese, or the Germans?

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So, yeah, Obama looks smart to me. His history shows plenty of evidence of intelligence, competence, and ability, as an academic, an organizer, a writer, and a politician.


Anything specifically? His school grades are locked away from the public, he didn’t publish any articles while editor of Harvard Review, he voted “present” as often as possible and continues to do so. He didn’t take a lead in drafting the health care bill, and in fact campaigned specifically against things like the mandate when Hillary suggested it. Pisses off her supporters, pisses off people who want the public option and people who don’t want government takeover of health care aren’t impressed by any of this, and Obama leaves it all up to Reid and Pelosi to “deem” a bill passed.

That’s not leadership, that’s amateur hour. What are you pointing to that he’s organized for evidence of ability? As a writer, has he contributed anything to human language and thought more spiritually enlightening than David Lee Roth’s “Crazy From The Heat”? You can say that he is displaying intelligence, competence and ability, but without demonstrating evidence of it, you might as well be describing his new clothes, which cannot be seen by people who are stupid or unfit for their jobs.

Evidence that he’s not displaying intelligence, competence or ability? Ok, a few days after some guy on an airplane set off a bomb, Obama goes on television and calls Abdulmutallab an “isolated extremist” which we found out soon after was completely untrue. To anybody who thinks in terms of security, that plane exploded on Christmas exactly as it was intended to. Everybody on that plane is dead because Abdulmutallab got a bomb on board and detonated it, just as everybody in Times Square is now dead because Faisal Shazad got away with his car bomb, just as everybody at Fort Hood is dead because Major Hassan had more than just a gun on him. Just as, in terms of security, Molly Norris is dead, because if they get their hands on her, she will be.

Peter, people like you, thoughtful and [one assumes] well-intended supporters of the President aren’t even remotely calling him to account for this. Treating this kind of Muslim terrorism like an everyday occurrence is bad enough for the security of the American people. Pretending it’s not directly contradicting the stated liberal positions on the war – Gitmo, wiretaps, rendition, signging statements, Predator drones into countries that didn’t attack us on 9/11 – is ludicrous. You’re not only not demanding any accountability from the guy you voted to be most powerful man on the planet, but you don’t even seem interested in knowing that other people have different viewpoints.

He went on television and called Abdulmutallab an “isolated extremist”. He’s never had to retract that, and the left gives him a complete and utter lack pass on things like this. Did he already know Abdulmutallab’s connections to Al-Awlaki? So either he lied when he went on tv and called Abdulmutallab an “isolated extremist” or he was genuinely out of the loop on this, in which case what was the point of him going on television and saying something in the first place? If the bomb had gone off, killing everybody aboard, what would he have done differently?

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When facing the threat of radical Islamic terrorists, he has (mostly) struck the proper balance of toughness against real adversaries while refusing to demonize an entire religion or cultural group.


So what standards do you think he’s using to distinguish between “demonizing” and “accurate assessment”? You’d agree that, to fight this enemy, accurate assessment is important, right?

So if the evidence points to millions of people actively waging war upon the United States and our allies, with intent to kill as many people and destroy as much as required until we submit to their rule, what then? They have highly-skilled operators in the field who are backed by a large and well-supported logistics element, and entire nations rooting for their success. The operators and their support do not wear uniforms and observe a chain-of-command or submit to any of our laws, domestic or international. They will sacrifice their own civilians to kill us, they will sacrifice their own children to kill us. Even Hugo Chavez is getting down with the shariat system of banking and Jew-hatred.

What is this toughness you speak of? Again, point to something that from the enemy’s point of view is not a complete propaganda victory from a President whose father was a Muslim? The guy in charge of the National Muslim Feel-Good Association came out and said Obama had told him to start focusing on Aeronautics and Space.

While you’re taking into account the views of people who actually take things like security and national defense seriously on a daily basis, take into account the views of people who believe in an omnipotent God, without whose will not one hair falls from a man’s head.

George W. Bush had to take this war seriously right from the start. The people who voted for his successor are still refusing to take it seriously, as you demonstrate below, and that means Obama won’t take it seriously either.

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Our eventual success in defeating terrorism will be dependent upon establishing common bonds of friendship with the mainstream Muslim world, as difficult as that project may be. There has to be a military and law-enforcement element to the strategy too, no denying that, but that part alone won't solve the problem in the long run.


There is no “mainstream Muslim world”. The “mainstream Muslim world” that you would like to see genuinely has no problem whatsoever with Arab Muslims slaughtering Black Muslims in the Darfur region as they’ve been doing for a decade, just as the “mainstream Muslim world” had no problem with them slaughtering the Black Christians before them.

The “mainstream” Shi’ites will have as little to do with Sunnis as possible, and neither of them want anything to do with Kurds, Persians, or Africans. The “mainstream” is fine with female genital mutilation and criminalizing possession of a Bible. And to every single one in the “mainstream”, you are the infidel. God permits you to be an infidel only so that you will eventually learn the truth and submit. To a proper Muslim, that is a fact like the Earth going around the sun.
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#579795 - 11/12/10 09:31 PM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: ChrisW]
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I'm not going to bother trying to sift through all of Chris' crazy bullshit. We all know he's a nut. But the following piece of idiocy that's been kicked around by right-wing propagandists is easy enough to show how it's been completely mischaracterized:

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Ok, a few days after some guy on an airplane set off a bomb, Obama goes on television and calls Abdulmutallab an “isolated extremist” which we found out soon after was completely untrue.


Here's a quote from Obama's speech on Dec. 28th:

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A full investigation has been launched into this attempted act of terrorism, and we will not rest until we find all who were involved and hold them accountable.


That's from the same speech in which "isolated extremist" was uttered. It suggests quite clearly to anyone bothering to read it that Obama wasn't dismissing at the start that there might be others involved. He then went on to suggest that evidence had come in pointing to said others on Jan. 2nd:

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Meanwhile, the investigation into the Christmas Day incident continues, and we're learning more about the suspect. We know that he traveled to Yemen, a country grappling with crushing poverty and deadly insurgencies. It appears that he joined an affiliate of al Qaeda, and that this group-al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula-trained him, equipped him with those explosives and directed him to attack that plane headed for America.


Yeah, note from whom Chris and his controllers learned that the terrorist wasn't acting alone. So, in what way did Obama originally use "isolated terrorist"? To rhetorically contrast with the communal strength of Americans standing together:

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Finally, the American people should remain vigilant, but also be confident. Those plotting against us seek not only to undermine our security, but also the open society and the values that we cherish as Americans. This incident, like several that have preceded it, demonstrates that an alert and courageous citizenry are far more resilient than an isolated extremist.


I'm not going to bother doing this with every claim of Chris (by way of talk radio), since he doesn't care about the truth, only about his own ideology. It's just one example; others can have fun with everything else he passes along from the brain police. Hell, I don't even like Obama. It's just I can think for myself. But, really, this correction only required a basic ability to read.

"Knowledge is Ignorance."

And don't right-wingers believe that soldiers shouldn't actively sow mistrust in the Commander in Chief? It undermines our actions overseas, etc.?
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#579796 - 11/13/10 12:20 AM Re: Cartoonist in Hiding After Death Threats [Re: Charles Reece]
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I dunno. Got any regulations to point to that define what soldiers are or aren't allowed to say? At least in the same sense that, say, GWB could have had you arrested under the Espionage Act of 1917.

I really like your reaction. You proudly state that you can't be bothered to find out what someone else thinks, get really offended that someone has a different reaction to the infamous "two words" in the President's speech than you do, and your answer aspires to Allen-esque levels of "If I ignore people at war with me they'll go away" willfullness.

You're still left with a plane that exploded last Christmas, from a security standpoint that is. And Faisal Shazad in Times Square. And Major Hassan.

[wonders what it is about leftists that demand they make things up about people. "Chris and his controllers", "by way of talk radio", "brain police", to name a few of Charles' Allen-esque offensive - or should that be Alinsky-esque? Allen has his Stalinist-bashing habits, bringing up Trotsky in order to denounce him ("Glen Beck"). C'est accuses people of not being sober. I guess it's a valid way to avoid having to think about ideas that make you feel bad, but I can't see any advantage it gives you in a time of war.

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