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#580046 - 11/17/10 07:36 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
Troy Lightbourne Offline
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
The series is most noteworthy for Byrne's vicious fights with editor Bobbie Chase.


A professional disagreement, in a Detractors' overactive imagination, turns into vicious fights.


This professional disagreement resulted in Byrne storming off yet another book and calling Chase the most unprofessional editor he'd ever worked with.


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Today's Special Words are: Lighten Up


You should direct those words to Byrne the next time he gets huffy over someone's choice of a Halloween costume.
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#580047 - 11/17/10 08:02 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
The series is most noteworthy for Byrne's vicious fights with editor Bobbie Chase.


A professional disagreement, in a Detractors' overactive imagination, turns into vicious fights.


This professional disagreement resulted in Byrne storming off yet another book and calling Chase the most unprofessional editor he'd ever worked with.


You just can't help yourself can you? Storming off?

At the time when JB left Sensational She-Hulk, no one knew the reasons why. In retrospect, JB doesn't have kind words to say about the then-editor of Sensational She-Hulk, but at the time the disagreement was handled professionally by both sides (at least insofar as airing grievances).

Now that we know what actually happened, it's completely understandable why JB decided to opt out of working with an editor who clearly had no respect for him or his ability to handle the She-Hulk character.

Remember, the editor came to him (supposedly out of professional respect, but later it turns out not to have been the case) to get input about a 2-issue mini-series that was starring the She-Hulk. JB kindly gave his input, pointing out inconsistencies & other advices (remember, once again, this is what the editor came to him for). The editor decided not to follow any of JB's advices, which is fine in & of itself. That was her prerogative. However, the editor then apparently started incorporating certain story elements from the 2-issue mini-series (She-Hulk: Ceremony if anybody's interested) into the stories that JB was writing in Sensational She-Hulk...without telling him. Very unprofessional on the part of the editor. JB then quit. And rightly so.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Today's Special Words are: Lighten Up


You should direct those words to Byrne the next time he gets huffy over someone's choice of a Halloween costume.


Feel free to express your own opinions over at the JBF anytime...Oh wait!

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#580048 - 11/17/10 08:32 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

At the time when JB left Sensational She-Hulk, no one knew the reasons why. In retrospect, JB doesn't have kind words to say about the then-editor of Sensational She-Hulk, but at the time the disagreement was handled professionally by both sides (at least insofar as airing grievances).

Now that we know what actually happened, it's completely understandable why JB decided to opt out of working with an editor who clearly had no respect for him or his ability to handle the She-Hulk character.

Remember, the editor came to him (supposedly out of professional respect, but later it turns out not to have been the case) to get input about a 2-issue mini-series that was starring the She-Hulk. JB kindly gave his input, pointing out inconsistencies & other advices (remember, once again, this is what the editor came to him for). The editor decided not to follow any of JB's advices, which is fine in & of itself. That was her prerogative. However, the editor then apparently started incorporating certain story elements from the 2-issue mini-series (She-Hulk: Ceremony if anybody's interested) into the stories that JB was writing in Sensational She-Hulk...without telling him. Very unprofessional on the part of the editor. JB then quit. And rightly so.




This has all the trademarks of those self-serving fantasies over at Byrne's FAQ section...

1. Byrne is the noble, diligent professional simply out to due his job.

2. The editor is an idiot, a megalomaniac, or both.

3. The evil editor pulls a shady move where Byrne is morally compelled to quit.


The truth is Byrne and Chase butted heads almost from the beginning. Byrne once again confused his job of writing and drawing She-Hulk with actually owning the character. Chase, an editor not particularly swayed by the rapidly diminishing clout Byrne had at this time, actually tried to edit the guy by rejecting certain story ideas and insisting on particular directions to take the book (Can you imagine? An editor doing this to Byrne? What nerve!). As you might imagine, this did not sit well with His Majesty at all. As his star was dimming, Byrne discovered he could no longer circumvent Chase to get his way. Instead, he petulantly began speaking about her in very unflattering, in fact chauvinistic terms, to anyone who would listen. ("What? Byrne? He's usually so close-mouthed about such things!") Eventually, the relationship became so venomous, the editor and the writer-artist would not even speak to each other. Finally, Byrne left in a huff. It may have been over Byrne believing his ideas had been stolen by the editor. I honestly can't remember which straw broke that camel's back but by then, things had been poisoned beyond salvation.

Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Feel free to express your own opinions over at the JBF anytime!



You mean like Poor Jodi?
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#580061 - 11/18/10 12:42 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
The truth is Byrne and Chase butted heads almost from the beginning.


And you know this, how?

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Byrne once again confused his job of writing and drawing She-Hulk with actually owning the character.


You are obviously VERY unaware about the way things USE to be.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Chase, an editor not particularly swayed by the rapidly diminishing clout Byrne had at this time


And you know this, how?

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
...actually tried to edit the guy by rejecting certain story ideas and insisting on particular directions to take the book (Can you imagine? An editor doing this to Byrne? What nerve!). As you might imagine, this did not sit well with His Majesty at all. As his star was dimming, Byrne discovered he could no longer circumvent Chase to get his way. Instead, he petulantly began speaking about her in very unflattering, in fact chauvinistic terms, to anyone who would listen. ("What? Byrne? He's usually so close-mouthed about such things!") Eventually, the relationship became so venomous, the editor and the writer-artist would not even speak to each other. Finally, Byrne left in a huff. It may have been over Byrne believing his ideas had been stolen by the editor. I honestly can't remember which straw broke that camel's back but by then, things had been poisoned beyond salvation.


Very creative, but, once again...you know this, how?

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Feel free to express your own opinions over at the JBF anytime!


You mean like Poor Jodi?


Poor Jodi is still a member there is she not?

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#580063 - 11/18/10 01:29 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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There Paul goes again; demanding levels of documentation and proof the likes of which he'd never supply.

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#580065 - 11/18/10 02:10 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Byrne once again confused his job of writing and drawing She-Hulk with actually owning the character.


You are obviously VERY unaware about the way things USE to be.



I am also VERY unaware about the way things USE to be. I'd be very much appreciative if you would care to explain.

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#580069 - 11/18/10 05:48 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: shjonescrk]
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One editor was usually assigned a camp of characters. To do a crossover with another camp, those editors would have to coordinate with each other. For the most part, one property would be assigned to a given creator. For example, it used (with a D on the end, Paul) to be standard practice to have to consult Chris Claremont if one wanted to use the X-Men, Roger Stern for the Avengers, etc.

By the time of Byrne's first She-Hulk run, that practice was drawing to a close. Quite possibly, it was because of Byrne's first She-Hulk run, considering Steve Gerber's assignment to brick up the fourth wall immediately upon Byrne's departure.
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#580070 - 11/18/10 07:25 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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And then along came Renee Witterstaetter to make things right.

Thanks for the grammar lesson, Necro. And coming from you, shempjcrook will probably be more inclined to believe the history lesson. You're a gentlemen & a scholar! cool

JB should have been aware of the changing of the tide, so to speak. Either he was ignorant of the receding policy or just hoping against hope that there was still a little honor & respect left in the business. His patience paid off eventually (back then) with Renee Witterstaetter getting the editor job. We got to read some more fun She-Hulk stories by JB!

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#580072 - 11/18/10 08:58 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Either he was ignorant of the receding policy or just hoping against hope that there was still a little honor & respect left in the business.


Isn't it amusing how often folks who've shown so little honor and respect towards others are the ones that feel they're the most entitled to receive it? Of course Byrne might not have been feeling or thinking any such thing, as it's all just attempted mind-reading by the esteemed psychic and psychic hating Paul.

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#580073 - 11/18/10 09:03 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: IvanJim]
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Strangely enough, just yesterday Paul thought that Byrne's run on She-Hulk was meant to be non-canon. Today he thinks Byrne should have been consulted on matters of continuity related to the title.

If you're surprised that Paul is contradicting himself so wildly, then welcome to the forum. You clearly just got here.
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