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#580782 - 12/09/10 06:11 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Lawson


If Byrne has ever said, "I guess it wasn't very good" or "I liked it, but the audience just wasn't there for it," I've missed it.


If there were ever any sort of concession like that on Byrne's part, it would go a long way to possibly affording him some credibility in those instances where he screams "Double cross!" or "Conspiracy!"

The same thing applies to his very own accounts of the times he's quit jobs. If there were at least one or two stories in which he said, "Yeah. I was a young hot head so I blew my stack and quit," or "Looking back, I guess I shouldn't have done it that way" his other more self-serving version of events would be far more believable. As it is however, ever single one of his "I quit" stories have him quitting a job because it was a moral imperative for him to do so.


So which stories do you believe? Or do all have no credence because if one is possibly untrue, then the rest are untrue? Is JB lying in some cases, but not others? Did he actually have a legitimate reason on one, but the rest are lies? Maybe two legitimate stories, but the others are lies? How do you decide? Or is it just easier to paint it all one color?


Hard to say. And I don't think he is "lying" at all. I think he sees it that way. It's not the problem that he is unable to admit he made an error (or was part of the disagreement as much as, lets say, the editor) as much as he is unable to even see he made an error.

And I remember one instance where i was on Byrnes side. Not sure if he quit the job over it or saying someone should quit the job over it, but when some stuff on some Superman (?) pages have been redrawn by the inker....that was unnecessary and rude and he had every right to be angry.
Sure, DC hired him and they own the pencils and they can do what they like with it, but that just wasn't very nice of them.

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#580783 - 12/09/10 06:13 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Channeling Boris]
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Originally Posted By: Channeling Boris
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Even JB himself raises an eyebrow at all of the usual commission thread gushing in this thread...


http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37116&PN=1&TPN=4

"I'm most intrigued by the enormous positive response to this one. Sure, I will modestly agree with the rest of you that it's a good drawing -- if it wasn't, it would be in four strips in my garbage can and you would never have seen it! -- but Best One Ever?

Hm!!"






I do think that is one of his better commissions, the reasons being:

The blacks and details are nice and crisp.
The illustration looks balanced with his spotting blacks in the background.
The anatomy and perspective don't look off.
Wolverine doesn't have an "O" mouth.
The proper number of digits on each hand.

Might not be the Best One Ever, but it is a good drawing, IMHO.


It's quite good. But once again, a character emerges out of rubble. Like in every single character submission that has background in it. Almost as if Byrne lays out the page from top down and runs out of space.

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#580785 - 12/09/10 06:32 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Bendrix]
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Originally Posted By: Bendrix
And I don't think he is "lying" at all. I think he sees it that way. It's not the problem that he is unable to admit he made an error (or was part of the disagreement as much as, lets say, the editor) as much as he is unable to even see he made an error.


Every so often you have a friend who moans that they somehow keep magically winding up in bad relationships that end horribly through no fault of their own. After enough years, you eventually just have to tell them, "You know what? There's only one constant in all these relationships: you. Maybe you have to start looking at your own behavior in all these situations."

I think you're right. He probably doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. But jeez, Byrne. There's only one constant in all these disputes.
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#580810 - 12/10/10 10:58 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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This reminds me of my brother. He shared many houses and flats with various people before me and him bought a house together. He told me that he had fallen out with everyone he had ever shared with to which I shrugged my shoulders, not really paying attention. Within 15 months I'd fallen out with him, had moved out, costing me thousands of pounds and didn't talk to him for a couple of years* and we are just civil with each other now when we meeting. 400 miles helps as well. I don't think he ever realised the one constant in it all was him.

It was at my mother's deathbed, which is quite sad when you think about it.

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#580816 - 12/10/10 03:49 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: shjonescrk]
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The house cost you "pounds" but now you live "miles" apart. I question your limey-ness.
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#580817 - 12/10/10 04:18 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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according to Wiki under British units of measurement ...

The United Kingdom completed its legal transition to SI units in 1995, but many imperial units are still in official use: draught beer must be sold in pints[10], road-sign distances must be in yards and miles[11], length and width (but not weight) restrictions must be in feet and inches on road signs (although an equivalent in metres may be shown as well)[11], and road speed limits must be in miles per hour[11], therefore instruments in vehicles sold in the UK must be capable of displaying miles per hour.

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#580820 - 12/10/10 04:40 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Alexander Ness]
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#580821 - 12/10/10 05:15 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Alexander Ness]
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Originally Posted By: Alexander Ness
according to Wiki under British units of measurement ...

The United Kingdom completed its legal transition to SI units in 1995, but many imperial units are still in official use: draught beer must be sold in pints[10], road-sign distances must be in yards and miles[11], length and width (but not weight) restrictions must be in feet and inches on road signs (although an equivalent in metres may be shown as well)[11], and road speed limits must be in miles per hour[11], therefore instruments in vehicles sold in the UK must be capable of displaying miles per hour.


'Tis true.

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#580822 - 12/10/10 05:20 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: shjonescrk]
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Wiki was right.
Montgomery Byrne was wrong.

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#580823 - 12/10/10 05:20 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
The house cost you "pounds" but now you live "miles" apart. I question your limey-ness.


I'm a limey through and through. I'm a cockney geezer from ol' London town, now living up norf with the Sweats. I love Septic Comics and a nice ruby. Gor' blimey, guv'nor.

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